> On May 15, 2014, at 12:20 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ok, I'll give the issue some more attention then. > > About Plains Speech. It's direct and simple and easy to understand. Not > easy to understand in only problem space, or solution space, but easy to > understand for all.
> > About art: Art is a very special kind of human endeavor. Artists don't > force art but art forces artists - that is, a certain patterning calls to > the artist. Something new, built out of the old. All great art is born of > conflict, some kind of conflict, between polar opposites that Have to be > blended but can't be blended in the current paradigm. Artfulness is > different that intellectuality but artfulness is necessary for > intellectuality. Mish-mashing both art and intellect into one "quality > endeavor" label is mis-naming because there are important distinctions in > experience. > > If you want to mish-mash something together meaningfully, mish-mash > "problem space" and "solution space" into one general category called > "experience" and be done with it. > Ron: I see, an "artist" needs something like Intellect to rail against in order to produce anything culturally meaningful and you are saying that Solving that problem only de emphasizes the artists role as a culture bearer. It levels artists and intellectuals and you see that as counter productive. Artists can't rightly feel like they are some how Smarter or "beyond" intellectuals Anymore and that just ruins the whole "Artist lifestyle" preconception mAkes it less noble or something. I get it. I think people call that elitism, and yes seeing intellect as an artistic extension certainly does piss on that Point of view. It means letting go of that whole hippie self righteousness And accepting that there is something redeeming about the "man" and society, that squareness That's every bit as important as tree hugging and spinning to the dead. It's probably what really pisses off that blue collar plains spoken farmer About the dynamic artist is that some how they think they are above or beyond them. > dmb: > >> >> Seems that you're not really a MOQer so much as a mocker, which wouldn't >> be so bad if you could really see what you were mocking. > Believe me Dave, I see what I'm mocking. > > John > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
