Ron, I don't think "artist" is a very nice word. It implies some special status that lets certain people be creative while the rest of us muddle along.
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On May 15, 2014, at 12:20 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ok, I'll give the issue some more attention then. > > > > About Plains Speech. It's direct and simple and easy to understand. Not > > easy to understand in only problem space, or solution space, but easy to > > understand for all. > > > > > About art: Art is a very special kind of human endeavor. Artists don't > > force art but art forces artists - that is, a certain patterning calls to > > the artist. Something new, built out of the old. All great art is born > of > > conflict, some kind of conflict, between polar opposites that Have to be > > blended but can't be blended in the current paradigm. Artfulness is > > different that intellectuality but artfulness is necessary for > > intellectuality. Mish-mashing both art and intellect into one "quality > > endeavor" label is mis-naming because there are important distinctions in > > experience. > > > > If you want to mish-mash something together meaningfully, mish-mash > > "problem space" and "solution space" into one general category called > > "experience" and be done with it. > > > Ron: > I see, an "artist" needs something like > Intellect to rail against in order to produce anything culturally > meaningful and you are saying that > Solving that problem only de emphasizes the artists role as a culture > bearer. It levels artists and intellectuals and you see that as counter > productive. Artists can't rightly feel like they are some how > Smarter or "beyond" intellectuals > Anymore and that just ruins the whole > "Artist lifestyle" preconception mAkes it less noble or something. > I get it. > I think people call that elitism, and yes seeing intellect as an artistic > extension certainly does piss on that > Point of view. It means letting go of that whole hippie self righteousness > And accepting that there is something redeeming about the "man" and > society, that squareness > That's every bit as important as tree hugging and spinning to the dead. > It's probably what really pisses off that blue collar plains spoken farmer > About the dynamic artist is that some how they think they are above or > beyond them. > > > dmb: > > > >> > >> Seems that you're not really a MOQer so much as a mocker, which wouldn't > >> be so bad if you could really see what you were mocking. > > Believe me Dave, I see what I'm mocking. > > > > John > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- "finite players play within boundaries. Infinite players play *with* boundaries." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
