dmb said: Yep. His position has already been totally defeated but he just continues obliviously repeating the same nonsense over and over again. You can lead a horse to water but this one thinks death by dehydration is a good thing, apparently.
Andre: Total agreement dmb (and Arlo of course). John's confusion (or rather ineptitude) with some of the core,fundamental MOQ insights is startling. Pirsig 'defined' the intellectual level as being the 'skillful manipulation of symbols...'. It is easy to substitute the 'skillful' into 'artful'. Leaving us with the artful manipulation of symbols...'. And the denials continue. I suggested he is following Bodvar and Marsha, which he denies of course. But to John intellect IS SOM (a la Bodvar) because he 'sees' and 'hears' it all around him. Similarly he retorts that his position is correct because his 'experience' tells him so (a la Marsha). Yet despite the corrections with presented evidence he remains ignorant or at least hopelessly confused. He's not arguing against Pirsig, he's arguing within his self created problem space. He's arguing with himself. It's a soliloquize really (a la Marsha). I bet he's not accepted at the stoics site either. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
