Hi Arlo

7 jul 2014 x kl. 22.40 wrote ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR:

> [Jan-Anders]
> When we have done step two clear we can go on to the next step: step three. 
> The understanding of the evolutionary step from the social level into the 
> intellectual level.
> 
> [Arlo]
> I think a critical consideration in this path of inquiry is to remember that 
> the levels capture a wide range of complexity. You wouldn't begin an inquiry 
> into the appearance of the biological level by envisioning lions or dolphins 
> springing into existence directly from inorganic patterns. If you zoom in on 
> the boundary between inorganic and biological patterns you're going to 
> encounter amoebas, bacterium and eventually simple carbon atoms. At that 
> level of analysis, I think, you'll find the boundary to be more fractal than 
> absolute. Theorists like Michael Tomasello have speculated that the boundary 
> between biological and social patterns was precipitated by the simple moment 
> of 'shared attention'. That the simplest forms of 'social behavior' is just 
> the recognition that something else is an attentional being like yourself. 
> From that simple recognition (simple in act, although amazingly 
> consequential) come all the larger and complex social structure we see around 
> us today. I 
 th
> ink you'll find the same thing when you zoom in on the boundary between 
> intellectual and social patterns. What you want to find are those social 
> 'carbon atoms' that led to the simplest of intellectual patterns. 
> 
> The other things to keep in mind is that the emergence or appearance of one 
> level does not entail a cessation of evolution on the lower levels, and 
> emergence does not entail immediate dominance. The lives of the first 
> proto-social humans was still largely dominated by biological necessity. 
> Imagine the length of time between the behavior of those carbon atoms and the 
> dominance of biology over inorganic forces. So I'd expect that the first 
> proto-intellectual patterns existed before an era where we expect to see them 
> as the dominate level. 
> 
> In ZMM, Pirsig traces the moment of 'dominance' (the conflict point at which 
> intellect first began to assert dominance over social patterns) to the 
> intellectual conflict between the Sophists and the Cosmologists. Some (like 
> the SOL crowd) use this to assert that Pirsig places the entirety of 
> 'intellect' as the offspring of the Greeks (another way of declaring moral 
> superiority over the non-Eurocentric peoples), but instead Greece became the 
> first visible battleground between intellect and society in our own cultural 
> history. And, due to the outcome of that conflict (the Cosmologists won), it 
> was a S/O-intellect that rose to dominance. Had the Sophists won, well, we'll 
> never know what our own intellectual history would have looked like (we can 
> glean some guesses by looking at the intellectual histories of the Orient and 
> other global cultures outside the European trajectory (a la FSC Northrop).
> 
> I'm saying all this here because if this was a clash of intellectual 
> orientations (Cosmologists vs. Sophists), then even here we are at the end of 
> a long history since the first proto-intellectual patterns appeared. So you 
> have to (IMHO) go back even further, to the origins and similarities that 
> both of these traditions have evolved from. Someone once said to me that all 
> intelligence was derived from the simple statement "why?". Its pithy, and of 
> course you'd have to substitute in the accurate early linguistic 
> counterparts. Maybe its some perception of 'planned action', which must have 
> predated (and enabled) the appearance of tool use.
> 
> Finally, keep in mind that when you identify this social 'carbon atom' you 
> may not be identifying something noticeably 'intellectual'. Few consider a 
> carbon atom to be in and of itself a biological life form, but nonetheless it 
> was the catalyst from which all terran biology descends. 

I'd like to complete step two first, but for step three I'd put it like this: 
it's all patterns, but what makes a pattern to be intellectual instead of 
social? Early intellectual patterns are just concepts, names or even more 
rudimental..? Would a couple of banana flies communicate with concepts about 
the surroundings? If I move the banana, will they find it again? Are their 
concepts independent of the individuals and will they be inherited by new 
generations?

JA
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