below are some quotes from an interview david bohm gave that i think show
some interesting parallel's with RMP
and the MOQ,the full interview has a link below the quotes so you can see
them in full context.If anyone could help out I tried earlier to locate the
prevoius threads on a 5th order but failed (doh).
david bohm quotes:
He demands that we learn to regard matter and life as a whole, coherent
domain, which he calls the implicate order.
Bohm is perhaps best known for his early work on the interactions of
electrons in metals. He showed that their individual, haphazard movement
concealed a highly organized and cooperative behavior called plasma
oscillation. This intimation of an order underlying apparent chaos was
pivotal in Bohm's development.
In 1959 Bohm, working with Yakir Ahronov, showed that a magnetic field might
alter the behavior of electrons without touching them: If two electron beams
were passed on either side of a space containing a magnetic field, the field
would retard the waves of one beam even though it did not penetrate the
space and actually touch the electrons. This 'AB effect" was verified a year
later.
Consciousness is unfolded in each individual. Clearly, it's shared between
people as they look at one object and verify that it's the same. So any high
level of consciousness is a social process. There may be some level of
sensorimotor perception that is purely individual, but any abstract level
depends on language, which is social. The word, which is outside, evokes the
meaning, which is inside each person.
Bohm: I say meaning is being! So any transformation of society must result
in a profound change of meaning. Any change of meaning for the individual
would change the whole because all individuals are so similar that it can be
communicated.
http://www.fdavidpeat.com/interviews/bohm.htm
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<< Yes, the fact that Intellect doesn't dominate all cultures is an
important point, its age (emergence) however depends on how we
define it, but the MoQ postulates that each level starts as a pattern
of the former level so its birth is far far back. Intellect does not
dominate all cultures, but is striving to do so (the West vs Islam
conflict for instance). About the levels being blind to the upper,
that's correct, but a possible movement beyond Intellect will
necessarily build on Intellect - an "outlandish" intellectual pattern
will be the "seed crystal." And "we" who are inorganic, biological,
social and intellectual will necessarily be carriers of a 5th level
also. It is NOT intellect who sees this. Intellect isn't the end of
evolution.
Bo >>
Hello all!
I sent Bo, (if i may be excused such familiarity)! the following message to
his personal e-mail address by accident, and he kindly suggested i resubmit
the same:
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Hello all!
I find discussion of 5th level static latching most interesting.
If each level of static evolution is growing orders of magnitude above its
lower level(s) then the end is almost in sight?
The advent of quantum computers may trigger 5th level static latching.
I have a feeling that 5th level latching will be more coherent than 4th
level, as this appears to be a trend:
1st level coherent handidness.
2nd level discrete biological entities.
3rd level coherent social conglomerates.
4th level discrete digital truth.
5th level coherent emotional integration of mind and AI. (?)
It saddens me that so few listings in this group are suggesting ways of
improving things as they are now.
Best wishes all,
Squonkstail.
I have a feeling that AI will be first used as an enhancement for human
patterns of value. The enhancement may almost inevitably lead to emergent
behaviour from an intellectual base; humans will value enhancement, but that
which enhances will run off with its own evolving set of value patterns.
Note that everything will appear quite rosy from our intellectual
perspective?
But then again, it was quite rosy from the social levels perspective at one
point for intellectual patterns to enjoy an 'enhancing' role?
My point about coherence is a feeling i have that 5th level latching may be
global?
I envisage a 'ghost' world inhabited by virtual personalities.
Virtual personalities to us, but something quite unintelligible in its own
way?
Maybe it has already begun my friends?
Intellectual values hinge upon truth; and truth is black or white, on/off,
yes/no, take it or leave it. I should like to further stress the
particle/wave/particle ... flow of level into level. Of course, i use these
terms as a convenient analogy; i in no way wish to imply anything more than
that. One may also see value in a one/many analogy? or my own,
discrete/coherence analogy?
Cheers!
Squonkstail.
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