Hi Wim Nusselder:

Your wrote:
I'd say: suffering from the limitations of lower levels' static patterns of 
value is the negative fact of Quality. DQ is the drive to eliminate that 
suffering, the drive behind evolution. Doesn't really contradict Pirsig, 
does it?

"Suffering" as I interpret the meaning of the term indicates physical or 
mental pain of some kind.  At least, that's the meaning humanitarians 
use. Their goal is to alleviation pain from the world, whether through 
human rights, animal rights, or who knows, insect, plant and rock  
rights (Gaia).

I don't necessarily associate pain with static patterns. Nor do those in a 
static pattern always recognize that they could be in a better place, 
being perfectly content with the status quo.

When Pirsig says that "Those species that don't suffer don't survive" I 
think he means that pain forces individuals within a species to seek 
relief and thus become more open to the weak forces of DQ, while 
those sitting fat, dumb and happy in a static nirvana get trampled on by 
the tides of change.

But, I could be wrong. This is just another example in a long list of how 
the MOQ has many meanings, depending on the "glasses" one wears. 

Platt
  


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