[Platt] Where do you find misunderstandings in the paradoxes I wrote above? Are you suggesting science finds the universe nonrandom, nonchaotic with meaningful (purposeful) events? Or that models of evolution, for example, include the all modeler's feelings, memories and thoughts?
[Case] Ok Statement One: "According to systematic, orderly, meaningful science the universe is a random, chaotic sequence of meaningless events." Saying that the universe is random and chaotic is just a matter of fact statement of how things are it does not mean that they are meaningless. They derive meaning from their relationships and from our understanding and application of these relationships. Statement Two: "All models science creates leave out the mind that created the model." This is not a paradox it is simply a falsehood. There are whole branches of science the study the mind and human behavior, from medicine to economics. [Platt] After explaining the misunderstandings, try these: The present never changes, but everything that changes changes in the present. [Case] Who says the present never changes? While I don't subscribe to this, the traditional view would be that only the past never changes. [Platt] and The theory that all is matter and energy consists of neither energy nor matter. [Case] I will defer to your expertise in physics on this one but I thought the idea was that matter is energy. Still not seeing the paradoxi. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
