[Ron] True it is "now" everywhere but, "now" happens at differing rates dependant on the gravitational mass Relative to the observer. Mass approaching the speed of light is mass transfering into energy Which makes it expand, here's where things get screwy for the observer, to travel at the speed of light Matter must transfer into energy. Does consciousness exist or are you in effect instantly disintegrated Into energy particles and waves and shot across the universe?. There seems to be two types of time. Space time and energy time. Space time refers to distance and energy time refers to rate. I think That's why things are'nt matching up when we're talking about any sort of universal continuity. Space time is expanding uniformly so it seems, energy time varies with mass. Science is still Looking for dark matter and "great attractors" to account for the speed of galactic rotation But just consider that space is expanding with matter like dots on a balloon being inflated. To just account for the dots is to overlook the substance of the ballon itself. when accounting For "stuff" to close the universe, Ideas like areas of compressed space for instance, is space "Warped" by matter as in stretched or is it "compressed" by matter ? So it would seem that space Time collapses when energy time is introduced which effects the rate of that energy mass dependant On the density of that mass. So in effect, differing rates of "happening" can uniformly "happen" Together at once as you said, but, it can also be percieved by an observer as a relative rate. So when we use the term "time" we are reffering to the interplay of space time with energy time Which fluctuates even on our tiny globe. objects fall at differing rates depending on where on this planet you drop them, time passes faster the farther you are away from the earth. Gosh, even time is dependant on a type of value scheme...the horror, the beauty, the awe.
[Case] What I take from my less than thorough study of relativity is that space is not flat or smooth. Mass changes the shape of space. That's where you get gravity wells. Things get all weird when objects approach the speed of light. But as I suggested earlier the closer to weird that you get the more surprises you are likly to have in store. You mention dark matter. The theory goes that in excess of 75% of the matter in the universe is unaccounted for. I will take the theory as the best available but it will come as no surprise if it gets radically altered. You talked about the expanding universe with the balloon metaphor. Something has bothered me from the start on that one: you are seeing dots moving away from each other on the 2D surface of the balloon. But you know those aren't dot those are galaxies they would need to be expanding not like dots but like little balls. What the heck would that look like? The 2/3D metaphor of the balloon helps but is still not quite there. The deal about consciousness is that it allows us to model things in multiple dimensions. Sort of but not really. I was talking to a friend this evening and he mentioned that you can not really imagine what one dimension is like. We can only see one dimension as a line on paper which is a representation in 3D. Even when we try to imagine a line as a sequence of points you can do it but only by playing mental games with the extra dimensions. These same multidimensional mind games let us routinely model in 5 dimensions as we skitter back and forth in time remembering, modeling and imagining. I might even go along with Wilber on this and call these functions of our neural networks the true, the good and the beautiful. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
