[Platt] Your attitude reminds me of the following: "The philosophy of oops, no matter how sophisticated and adult it may on occasion appear -- its modern names and numbers are legion, from positivism to scientific materialism, from linguistic analysis to historical materialism, from naturalism to empiricism -- always come down to the same basic answer, namely, "Don't ask."
"The question itself . . . is said to to be confused, pathological, nonsensical, or infantile. To stop asking such silly or confused questions is, they all maintain, the mark of maturity, the sign of growing up in the cosmos. "I don't think so. I think the 'answer' these 'modern and mature' disciplines give-- namely, oops! (and therefore, 'Don't ask!' -- is about as infantile a response as the human condition could possibly offer." -- Introduction, "Sex, Ecology, Spirituality," Ken Wilber [Case] Yes that is in the introduction he then goes on for about 600 pages. After explaining how higher orders emerge from lower orders he then totally ignores what actually may be "higher" orders in favor of various levels of mystical consciousness which can only be useful if he assigns them Omega Points in the future pulling them forward. After accepting how levels grow out of one another, he has to postulate "spirit" as some supernatural force that is not evolving out of creation but is directing creation. I found it interesting because of the material it covered but on the whole; misguided. And the big reason I found it misguided centered around his total mischaracterization of "flatland" and his obvious need to ask infantile questions. Science says ask anything you like but if you want adult answers ask adult questions. If you find this too difficult; Wilber is there for you. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
