Quoting ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yes Platt, I know the words ... the problem is how narrowly you > interpret their intended meaning - dumb (ergo) logic or enlightened > reason. > > Where to start ? > > He's talking (in the first and third paras) about the paralysis of > political correctness refusing to accept the biological nature of any > crimes. I'm not doing that. I asserting that crimes of robbery can be > largely social. > > I can accept that pretty well any crimes against the biological person > are largely biological - the raping and murder (and any lesser crimes > by white-trash or ethnic-thugs disrepecting the rights of human > individuals) - but even there I'd have to qualify that with the motive > - as any court of law would do in deciding sex was rape and killing > was murder. > > Robbery in the grand scheme of things is often not (nay rarely) > against the individual, but often against an institution. Clearly as I > said above, the victims of biological crimes are individual humans. > Some crimes are against society though. > > In any event I totally agree with (the second para) the right of > society to enforce it's laws by force against biological (or social) > crime. That's the point of static latching, it's pragmatically useful > to enforce the law now and intellectually debate the philosophical > values later, rather than fiddle whilst Rome burns. > > The fact that theft / robbery is a game or a psychological disorder > for some, [as Krimel suggests] does not mean anyone is saying ALL > crime is a socio-intellectual game. Only an idiot would suggest that > anyone might suggest that. > > As usual you show us the sad limits of all or nothing logic. > Ian > (PS - excluded middles)
You can nitpick and rationalize all you want, but Pirsig makes it clear: robbery is a biological crime. Read Pirsig and learn: > > > > "Thus, throughout this century we have seen over and over again that > intellectuals > > weren't blaming crime on man's biological nature, but on the social patterns > that had > > repressed this biological nature." > > > > "The idea that biological crimes can be ended by intellect alone, that you > > can > talk > > crime to death, doesn't work. Intellectual patterns cannot directly control > > biological patterns. Only social patterns can control biological patterns, > > and > the > > instrument of conversation between society and biology is not words. The > instrument > > of conversation between society and biology has always been a policeman or a > soldier > > and his gun." > > > > "A second part of the paralysis probably came from the fact that the > > criminals > were > > black. If it had been a group of trash whites moving into the neighborhood, > robbing > > and raping and killing, the response would have been much fiercer, but when > whites > > denounced blacks for robbing and raping and killing they left themselves > > open to > the > > charge of racism." > > > > "What's coming out of the urban slums, where old Victorian social moral > > codes > are > > almost completely destroyed, isn't any new paradise the revolutionaries > > hoped > for, > > but a reversion to rule by terror, violence and gang death-the old > > biological > > might-makes-right morality of prehistoric brigandage that primitive > > societies > were > > set up to overcome." ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
