I just think it's a waste of time going on about something that can't be
proved either way unless you accept a pantheistic position in which case
belief is no longer required since the sum total of your experiential data
is itself demonstratively 'god'.

And that's pretty much all I have to say on religion...

Omar

On 6/13/07, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Gav
>
> Quite right. Religion will not disappear, science is not the only
> form of knowledge, there is a progressive possibility for both of
> these parts of our culture if only they can accept each other
> & engage rather than suppress the challenges they offer each other.
> What might religion look like if it accepted the death of the old
> mythic god/s? Take a look at Don Cupitt for some ideas on this.
>
> Thanks
> David M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:23 AM
> Subject: [MD] the essential stupidity of atheists (and theists)
>
>
> > am i to take it there are people on this list that
> > would label themselves 'theist' or 'atheist'?
> > these are the same position: belief over knowledge.
> >
> > to blanket ridicule all religion! talk about hubris!
> > literally.
> >
> > the atheist stares into the abyss and says, bravely,
> > "i don't need a crutch, i can face the void without
> > any fantastical 'god' to comfort me". the atheists
> > crutch is his ego, and he will recant on his death
> > bed.
> >
> > the theist admits his fear and tries to
> > buy/borrow/steal what cannot be purchased/lent/stolen.
> > this is usually taken as 'faith'.
> >
> > the athiest is arrogantly ignorant
> > the theist is also arrogantly ignorant.
> >
> > arguing about the same thing...it's a classic!
> >
> > all religions are essentially true, *mythologically*
> > true. unfortunately most priests as well as academics
> > are blind to myth.
> >
> > the current wave of 'god dissing' is adolescent and
> > puerile and damaging. ego-boosts for impotent
> > middle-aged men.
> >
> > religion is full of wisdom and beauty. to sever our
> > connections with it is to follow the lead of the ever
> > so successful soviet union.
> >
> > to sever our connection with religion is to sever our
> > connection with the past, is to ignore the mythic, is
> > to wander self-consciously, fearfully through life's
> > dramas blind to the meanings/messages inherent in
> > them.
> >
> > it is reconnection that is needed, not more
> > alienation!  the century of self: the ego is boss. the
> > ego is alone!
> >
> > science has become our religion but it is a poor
> > science. it is a science manipulated and diminished by
> > the Giant for its own logical ends. it is an
> > irreligious religion: schizophrenic.
> >
> > there is no fundamental quarrel between science and
> > (mythic) religion. they are complementary modes of
> > knowledge. reflective and existential respectively
> >
> > to explore this conjunction, through art, is to
> > understand Pirsig most fully i believe.
> >
> > our religions need to be revivified, unified. science
> > needs to become self-aware. the mythos will provide
> > the creations that will accomplish this.
> >
> > the closest i can think of so far is (the original
> > trilogy of) star wars, which was based on the work of
> > joseph campbell. the jedi, the force, superior science
> > and technology...the rational and irrational are
> > mutually fecundating.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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