I just think it's a waste of time going on about something that can't be proved either way unless you accept a pantheistic position in which case belief is no longer required since the sum total of your experiential data is itself demonstratively 'god'.
And that's pretty much all I have to say on religion... Omar On 6/13/07, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Gav > > Quite right. Religion will not disappear, science is not the only > form of knowledge, there is a progressive possibility for both of > these parts of our culture if only they can accept each other > & engage rather than suppress the challenges they offer each other. > What might religion look like if it accepted the death of the old > mythic god/s? Take a look at Don Cupitt for some ideas on this. > > Thanks > David M > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:23 AM > Subject: [MD] the essential stupidity of atheists (and theists) > > > > am i to take it there are people on this list that > > would label themselves 'theist' or 'atheist'? > > these are the same position: belief over knowledge. > > > > to blanket ridicule all religion! talk about hubris! > > literally. > > > > the atheist stares into the abyss and says, bravely, > > "i don't need a crutch, i can face the void without > > any fantastical 'god' to comfort me". the atheists > > crutch is his ego, and he will recant on his death > > bed. > > > > the theist admits his fear and tries to > > buy/borrow/steal what cannot be purchased/lent/stolen. > > this is usually taken as 'faith'. > > > > the athiest is arrogantly ignorant > > the theist is also arrogantly ignorant. > > > > arguing about the same thing...it's a classic! > > > > all religions are essentially true, *mythologically* > > true. unfortunately most priests as well as academics > > are blind to myth. > > > > the current wave of 'god dissing' is adolescent and > > puerile and damaging. ego-boosts for impotent > > middle-aged men. > > > > religion is full of wisdom and beauty. to sever our > > connections with it is to follow the lead of the ever > > so successful soviet union. > > > > to sever our connection with religion is to sever our > > connection with the past, is to ignore the mythic, is > > to wander self-consciously, fearfully through life's > > dramas blind to the meanings/messages inherent in > > them. > > > > it is reconnection that is needed, not more > > alienation! the century of self: the ego is boss. the > > ego is alone! > > > > science has become our religion but it is a poor > > science. it is a science manipulated and diminished by > > the Giant for its own logical ends. it is an > > irreligious religion: schizophrenic. > > > > there is no fundamental quarrel between science and > > (mythic) religion. they are complementary modes of > > knowledge. reflective and existential respectively > > > > to explore this conjunction, through art, is to > > understand Pirsig most fully i believe. > > > > our religions need to be revivified, unified. science > > needs to become self-aware. the mythos will provide > > the creations that will accomplish this. > > > > the closest i can think of so far is (the original > > trilogy of) star wars, which was based on the work of > > joseph campbell. the jedi, the force, superior science > > and technology...the rational and irrational are > > mutually fecundating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > How would you spend $50,000 to create a more sustainable environment in > > Australia? Go to Yahoo!7 Answers and share your idea. > > > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/aunz/lifestyle/answers/y7ans-babp_reg.html > > > > > > > > moq_discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
