just to confirm -it was a joke DM
----- Original Message ----- From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [MD] the essential stupidity of atheists (and theists) > DM, > > I'm not sure beating is the answer. I'm not sure it isn't either. I > believe > a variety of techniques from beating to molly coddling have been tried > over > the years. Some swear by one; some by the other. I'm thinking the likely > loser is neglect. > > Krimel > > > > --------------------- > Krim > > Maybe the students should be beaten until they can understand humanism. > > Mind you, I was a football hooligan once upon a time, change is possible, > and pretty much anyone can reach the top, if they start going in the right > direction. > > DM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:20 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] the essential stupidity of atheists (and theists) > > >> David M to Gav: >> Quite right. Religion will not disappear, science is not the only >> form of knowledge, there is a progressive possibility for both of >> these parts of our culture if only they can accept each other >> & engage rather than suppress the challenges they offer each other. >> What might religion look like if it accepted the death of the old >> mythic god/s? Take a look at Don Cupitt for some ideas on this. >> >> [Krimel] >> Yes, but along the lines I suggest previously regarding the function of >> religion, let me add. I have close friend who teaches math at a community >> college. Her goal is life is to show student how to reason. She tries to >> equip them with tools to solve the problems they are presented with. She >> complains bitterly that almost every time she goes through this process >> two >> questions arise: 1) Will this be on the test? 2) Could you go through the >> steps one more time? >> >> While few would argue that science or philosophy or some form of humanism >> can be used to derive a sensible system of morality fewer still are >> willing >> to go through the process to make it their own. Religion may be the >> opiate >> of the masses but do you really want them running wild in the street >> unsedated? >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> am i to take it there are people on this list that >>> would label themselves 'theist' or 'atheist'? >>> these are the same position: belief over knowledge. >>> >>> to blanket ridicule all religion! talk about hubris! >>> literally. >>> >>> the atheist stares into the abyss and says, bravely, >>> "i don't need a crutch, i can face the void without >>> any fantastical 'god' to comfort me". the atheists >>> crutch is his ego, and he will recant on his death >>> bed. >>> >>> the theist admits his fear and tries to >>> buy/borrow/steal what cannot be purchased/lent/stolen. >>> this is usually taken as 'faith'. >>> >>> the athiest is arrogantly ignorant >>> the theist is also arrogantly ignorant. >>> >>> arguing about the same thing...it's a classic! >>> >>> all religions are essentially true, *mythologically* >>> true. unfortunately most priests as well as academics >>> are blind to myth. >>> >>> the current wave of 'god dissing' is adolescent and >>> puerile and damaging. ego-boosts for impotent >>> middle-aged men. >>> >>> religion is full of wisdom and beauty. to sever our >>> connections with it is to follow the lead of the ever >>> so successful soviet union. >>> >>> to sever our connection with religion is to sever our >>> connection with the past, is to ignore the mythic, is >>> to wander self-consciously, fearfully through life's >>> dramas blind to the meanings/messages inherent in >>> them. >>> >>> it is reconnection that is needed, not more >>> alienation! the century of self: the ego is boss. the >>> ego is alone! >>> >>> science has become our religion but it is a poor >>> science. it is a science manipulated and diminished by >>> the Giant for its own logical ends. it is an >>> irreligious religion: schizophrenic. >>> >>> there is no fundamental quarrel between science and >>> (mythic) religion. they are complementary modes of >>> knowledge. reflective and existential respectively >>> >>> to explore this conjunction, through art, is to >>> understand Pirsig most fully i believe. >>> >>> our religions need to be revivified, unified. science >>> needs to become self-aware. the mythos will provide >>> the creations that will accomplish this. >>> >>> the closest i can think of so far is (the original >>> trilogy of) star wars, which was based on the work of >>> joseph campbell. the jedi, the force, superior science >>> and technology...the rational and irrational are >>> mutually fecundating. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ >> _____ >>> >>> How would you spend $50,000 to create a more sustainable environment in >>> Australia? 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