DM, I'm not sure beating is the answer. I'm not sure it isn't either. I believe a variety of techniques from beating to molly coddling have been tried over the years. Some swear by one; some by the other. I'm thinking the likely loser is neglect.
Krimel --------------------- Krim Maybe the students should be beaten until they can understand humanism. Mind you, I was a football hooligan once upon a time, change is possible, and pretty much anyone can reach the top, if they start going in the right direction. DM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [MD] the essential stupidity of atheists (and theists) > David M to Gav: > Quite right. Religion will not disappear, science is not the only > form of knowledge, there is a progressive possibility for both of > these parts of our culture if only they can accept each other > & engage rather than suppress the challenges they offer each other. > What might religion look like if it accepted the death of the old > mythic god/s? Take a look at Don Cupitt for some ideas on this. > > [Krimel] > Yes, but along the lines I suggest previously regarding the function of > religion, let me add. I have close friend who teaches math at a community > college. Her goal is life is to show student how to reason. She tries to > equip them with tools to solve the problems they are presented with. She > complains bitterly that almost every time she goes through this process > two > questions arise: 1) Will this be on the test? 2) Could you go through the > steps one more time? > > While few would argue that science or philosophy or some form of humanism > can be used to derive a sensible system of morality fewer still are > willing > to go through the process to make it their own. Religion may be the opiate > of the masses but do you really want them running wild in the street > unsedated? > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > >> am i to take it there are people on this list that >> would label themselves 'theist' or 'atheist'? >> these are the same position: belief over knowledge. >> >> to blanket ridicule all religion! talk about hubris! >> literally. >> >> the atheist stares into the abyss and says, bravely, >> "i don't need a crutch, i can face the void without >> any fantastical 'god' to comfort me". the atheists >> crutch is his ego, and he will recant on his death >> bed. >> >> the theist admits his fear and tries to >> buy/borrow/steal what cannot be purchased/lent/stolen. >> this is usually taken as 'faith'. >> >> the athiest is arrogantly ignorant >> the theist is also arrogantly ignorant. >> >> arguing about the same thing...it's a classic! >> >> all religions are essentially true, *mythologically* >> true. unfortunately most priests as well as academics >> are blind to myth. >> >> the current wave of 'god dissing' is adolescent and >> puerile and damaging. ego-boosts for impotent >> middle-aged men. >> >> religion is full of wisdom and beauty. to sever our >> connections with it is to follow the lead of the ever >> so successful soviet union. >> >> to sever our connection with religion is to sever our >> connection with the past, is to ignore the mythic, is >> to wander self-consciously, fearfully through life's >> dramas blind to the meanings/messages inherent in >> them. >> >> it is reconnection that is needed, not more >> alienation! the century of self: the ego is boss. the >> ego is alone! >> >> science has become our religion but it is a poor >> science. it is a science manipulated and diminished by >> the Giant for its own logical ends. it is an >> irreligious religion: schizophrenic. >> >> there is no fundamental quarrel between science and >> (mythic) religion. they are complementary modes of >> knowledge. reflective and existential respectively >> >> to explore this conjunction, through art, is to >> understand Pirsig most fully i believe. >> >> our religions need to be revivified, unified. science >> needs to become self-aware. the mythos will provide >> the creations that will accomplish this. >> >> the closest i can think of so far is (the original >> trilogy of) star wars, which was based on the work of >> joseph campbell. the jedi, the force, superior science >> and technology...the rational and irrational are >> mutually fecundating. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _____ >> >> How would you spend $50,000 to create a more sustainable environment in >> Australia? 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