-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Kulp Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] intelligent design
[Platt] It's the view of current science I find lacking in explanatory power, like attributing what can't be explained to "emergence" and "chance." [Ron] How is the definition of "moral force" any more descriptive than "emergence"? Pirsig equates "moral force" with "growth" correct? Growth refers to an increase in some quantity over time. The quantity can be physical (e.g., growth in height, growth in an amount of money) or abstract (e.g., a system becoming more complex, an organism becoming more mature). It can also refer to the mode of growth, i.e. numeric models for describing how much a particular quantity grows over time:-wiki EMERGE Latin emergere derived from e- (a variant of ex-), meaning 'out, forth' To come into view. To come out of a situation, object or a liquid. To become known. [Ron] these two definitions seem almost synonomous. they are close enough that one must take into account the context in which it is used, which in my opinion also paralells each other. close enough to merit some attention and draw comparison/contrast. I agree the term "emerge" kinda eludes to manifesting from nothing, but growth doesent really point to much more of a source either, "moral force" seems to be just a method of solving by re-defining. All in all, I think MOQ gives emergence it's source, "moral force" is the source of emergence as far as what I gather Pirsig is saying only emergence delves into the four levels with more clarity. I see this as aiding Pirsigs thoughts not conflicting with them. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
