Quoting Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > > Moral force is the cause of emergence. The cause of > > emergence from the science view is ??? > > Platt, your not questioning emergence here. Your > questioning the cause.
Well, yes and no. Among most scientists, emergence by itself is stated as a cause. Things just self-emerge and self-organize. I call that sort of phenomena happenings or changes without a cause. In other words, miracles. > [Platt] > > Pirsig asks the question of science, "Why survive?" > > Science has no answer. Neither can it answer, "Why > grow?" Pirsig > > has the answer, "Because it's better." For Pirsig, > the world is a moral > > order. The world changes (survives and grows) > because of a moral > > force. The best science can come up with for a > cause of change is > > "chance." In other words, "Ooops" or "It's a > miracle." > > Again Platt, your not questioning science, your > questioning the cause, and Pirsig gives you an answer > to your questioning of the cause called moral force. Yes, but it is the claim of science that there are natural causes for all phenomena. Obviously they fail to fulfill their claim in some important areas of change -- like the cause for life emerging from non-life and mind from no-mind. Don't get me wrong. I thank God every day for science. It has improved the quality of my life immeasurably. It's just that they don't have all the answers. Have a nice day. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
