> > [Platt previously]
> > > Moral force is the cause of emergence. The cause
of
> > > emergence from the science view is ???
[SA previously]
> > Platt, your not questioning emergence here.
> Your questioning the cause.
[Platt]
> Well, yes and no. Among most scientists, emergence
by itself is
> stated as a cause. Things just self-emerge and
self-organize. I call
> that sort of phenomena happenings or changes without
a cause. In
> other words, miracles.
The quote Ron said did not mention cause, did it?
Isn't that what we're discussing?
> > [Platt]
> Yes, but it is the claim of science that there are
natural causes for
> all phenomena.
SOM science, but not a value oriented science.
[Platt]
> Obviously they fail to fulfill their claim in some
important areas of
> change -- like the cause for life emerging from
non-life and mind
> from no-mind. Don't get me wrong. I thank God every
day for
> science. It has improved the quality of my life
immeasurably. It's
> just that they don't have all the answers.
That's why science is in the science department,
and then there is the philosophy department, and the
art department, etc... Science doesn't have all the
answers. Science doesn't even know why and what its'
doing. Philosophy knows what science is doing.
Science just does what a pre-conditioned philosophy
told it to do and how to approach understanding
reality. This philosophy comes from a sect of ancient
Greeks who preached SOM. This is why in Lila,
Phaedrus found out as follows:
"That was a problem. The whole field of cultural
anthropology is a house built on intellectual
quicksand... What was clear was that if he was going
to do anything with anthropology the place to do it
was not in anthropology itself but in the general body
of assumptions upon which it rests. The solution to
the anthropological blockage was not to try to
construct some new anthropological theoretic structure
but to first find some solid ground upon which such a
structure can be constructed. It was this conclusion
that placed him right in the middle of the field of
philosophy known as metaphysics."
You see it's not science/anthropology, but the
assumptions founding science/anthropology that walls
out value.
This is found in-between what I quoted above in
Lila as follows:
"The field that one might have expected to be one
of the most useful and productive of the sciences had
gone under, not because the people in it were no good,
or the subject was unimportant, but because the
structure of scientific principles that it tries to
rest on is inadequate to support it."
Scientific principles, well that's where
philosophy takes over. So, Phaedrus found himself in
the middle of a field of philosophy called
metaphysics. On one end logical positivists and
mystics on the other end both rejecting metaphysics,
so, Phaedrus found metaphysics to be the common ground
between the two, thus, the bridge as Phaedrus puts it.
So, with all these different departments studying
different aspects of reality that a highly complex
society, in which the U.S. is, an asking from this
societies youth is at hand. To uphold an existing
social structure many different departments exist to
educate youth into an existing culture. Does this
university with differing departments allow for the
interchange of information in which the physical
sciences can learn something of value from the
philosophy department, say... where the MoQ might be
teaching quality, well Ant, do you see this happening
at all? (And this is also what Arlo was wondering
about in some of his posts this month. Why do we get
education in schools? Is it to vote, to uphold an
existing economy? What does the giant want? Is the
intellect running the show?
some wind,
SA
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