Thanks Arlo, This all reminds me of Orwell and his descriptions of the similarities between his fictional empires in 1984. Constantly at war but ideologically identical.
Platt, do you think this research paper is an unfair assesment ?? http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/pal/ip/2005/00000042/00000002/art00002 ?? > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ARLO J > BENSINGER JR > Sent: 04 July 2007 15:08 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Quality decline > > > [Jos] > So you think Lenin's aim was tyranny? Why would anyone want tyranny? > > [Arlo] > Lenin is a good example here, because he combines the > overestimation of man of > Marx, with the neoconservative notion that man is too stupid > to act in his best > interests (with strong politically-leveraged myths to control him). > > Whereas Marx saw a temporary communist body to replace the > old capitalist, he > saw this transitory body as lacking real power, existing only > for unavoidable > bureaucratic business during the communist transition. The > real goal was the > abolishment of government ipso facto. "Eventually the state > will "wither away" > and become obsolete, as people administer their own lives > without the need for > governments." (Wikipedia, Marxism) > > Lenin, however, came to deny this and using the > neoconservative idea of a > benevolent state that rules by strong orienting myths, set up > as a final stage > the Communist State, which would be promoted through > propaganda and used to > align patriotism and nationalism to hold the state together. > Lenin did not > think, in good neoconservative fashion, that man's individual > liberty would > lead to the altruistic state Marx envisioned, but to the nihilism and > debauchery Strauss predicted. > > When Stalin took power, the strong nationalist ideology was > set firmly in > place, and this was all he saw. Gone by now where the noble > ideas of Marx. All > that remained was patriotism and glorification of the state. > Human liberty, all > that Marx wanted, was replaced with a dictatorship resting on > propaganda to > support nationalism, which defined itself by virtue of its > opposition to "the > other", and where individual liberty was suspended entirely > "for the good of > the state". > > This is, admittedly, abbreviated and simplistic, but I think > it captures the > basic themes of the Marx/Lenin/Stalin trajectory. > > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the > Government Secure Intranet Anti-Virus service supplied by > Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM > Certificate Number 2006/04/0007.) 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