So I guess you are right in a way; you are trying to reconcile an individually Dynamic mindset with a static social or intellectual one. This is the most ancient of Philosophical problems, you can see it right , even to Plato (ugh), though I cannot recall the exact quote.
On 14/07/07, XAVIER from France <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks Gav, Jack for your insights; Actually, it helps me to further the > debate: > > When you say honour, justice are variable, > I agree with you > by dividing "society-bound" honour & justice from "universal-bound" > honour & justice. > > The socially shaped is plastic, and it differs from countries, from > continents, from times... this is the case of the Iwo Jima soldiers. In > France, we never have this code as well as actual Japanese soldiers. > > But the universally tied is static: you can't get rid of a shared code > of honour & justice because it would be chaos. The question is what do we > find in this global honour & justice ? > > As Pirsig with his Quality inquiry, it's hard for me to define this > honour feeling: So you are both right with the "can't pre-empt" idea and the > "its living in the heart". It comes at once when situation needs it: as it > is natural to run away from fire, it is natural to run towards injustice, > unfairness when they hit you... Or, when you take a path in dishonourability > or you give injustice, the inner voice is here... > > But, each time, it is never easy to stay truth with this code: > Honour, Justice is married with Courage, > because somewhere, it means resistance, opposition, so troubles.. > > A lot of people close their eyes on it, me first (and I feel bad > then....). > > So I was wondering if MOQ includes Justice or Honour ? > or more exactly, which is the better life: > the easy one or the honourable one ? > The socially happy in a unfair world or the lonely life in honourability > ? > > Being born in the honourable side, > if I sacrifice my honour, what's the successor: void ? wisdom ? > Is it good so to be a liar, hypocrite, selfish person ? > > I recognise I am not very bright and very stubborn, but when I studied > human rights, the same debate was there also: Is human rights are intangible > or are they expandable in front of cultures ? > > Pirsig write about this in Lila... > > For Lao-tsu, the 3 is the magic number, with A "strangles" B, B > "strangles" A, and A & B are in balanced accord. > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web > links. > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
