On 11/29/00 6:08 PM, in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert
O'Callahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You have a better way than LDAP to support 500000+ users? (take a look
>> at the entry for Siemens in bug # 36557
>
> All Ben is trying to say is that there are a lot of users who use IMAP but
> not LDAP. You wrote "Supporting IMAP without LDAP is useless" and that is
> false. A lot of people, like Ben, find it useful.
And I can find people who use LDAP and not IMAP....there are exceptions to
everything, but in most and almost all cases, you aren't going to find IMAP
without LDAP...they work *too* well together. I can also find a schmuck
running IMAP with 10MB disk limits...doesn't mean it's the way to use it.
>
>> Man, standards are not a substitution for functionality. They are a
>> guide on the preffered way to get there. If the internet had kowtowed
>> to standards they way Moz is, we would have not had packet swtiching or
>> IP. It would have been Circuit Switching and SNA, (the *standards* of
>> the day.).
>
> You don't know what you're talking about. SNA was IBM's baby, not a
> vendor-independent standard. IP, and the rest of the Internet
> infrastructure, was built by proposing standards in RFCs and having people
> independently implement those RFCs. If the Internet hadn't "kowtowed" to
> standards then we'd all be using some hideous, overpriced equipment from
> BBN ... if it worked at all.
LOL...you have no clue then as to just *how* much of the internet was built
by IBM. They agreed to TCP/IP. But at that time, SNA was *the* way to
network. IBM could have easily dictated that to arpanet, etc. Bell didn't
care about data networks, otherwise they could have pushed circuit switching
easily. But the folks who started it took a chance and blew off the existing
standards for something that would work better, that had better
functionality.
BTW...that *hideous* equipment from BBN WAS the internet for a long time.
>
> I guess you think that the rule that says you have to drive on the right
> side of the road is also just "the preferred way to get there" and you
> drive on the left when you find that convenient.
There is a difference between the opinion of a bunch of geeks regarding how
to push bits, and *laws* on guiding 2-ton vehicles in a manner that doesn't
*kill* someone.
>
>> LOL...most of them wrote you off a year ago, got tired of waiting...the
>> rest just don't care, there are other products that work *now*.
>
> So what are you doing here then? Just getting in a bit of gloating? I
> assure you that you're not achieving anything else.
Well, maybe someone who isn't so busy dissing customers as unknowing morons
will realize that's a *bad* thing.
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"March or Die"
- French Foreign Legion
