Matthew Thomas wrote:
> Not true. Messenger, Composer, and Chatzilla all have toolbars.
And when I use none of them?
> By the same argument, the GNOME Panel or KDE taskbar aren't part of the
> OS either
I do consider them part of the OS (just that the OS is modular), at
least parts like session management and taskbar / starter.
If a user does not have any of them installed, they may have WindowMaker
or a similar window manager, which allows "docking" apps. Those few
users which are in none of these categories usually have a standalone
biff, too (in a normal X window)
> what does economy have to do
> with the bugginess of XP Toolkit versus native toolkits?
who has more resources to hack widgetsets - Microsoft or Netscape? If
you were a free programmer: Would you like to work on GTK or XPToolkit?
I guess, the answer lies more on the first choice in both cases.
>> So, you want 2 biffs? How do you justify this from a UE standpoint?
>
> Firstly, because either one of them might not be there at any given
> time. The system tray on Windows is not visible if the taskbar is in
> auto-hide mode.
How many people are insane enough to use auto-hide? I guess not many.
> The menu bar on Mac OS might not be visible, depending
> on how full-screen mode is implemented. The equivalent in GNOME or KDE
> won't be present if you have neither GNOME nor KDE installed. And for
> the indicator in Mozilla's chrome, you might have that particular bit of
> chrome turned off at any given moment.
So, what if a user uses no native biff *and* has the Mozilla taskbar
disabled? I know: Let's add a biff to WinAmp, too!
> And secondly, because (as I said) on today's monitors the one provided
> by the OS has to be too small to be useful in order to be small enough
> to be out of the way.
Today's monitors have resolutions of 1024x768 or 1280x1024. Enough space
for a biff shown all the time, if wanted.
> as long as we have
> awkward window managers running on our operating systems,
worksforme. (Seriously, I have no idea what you refer to.)
> And Internet Explorer 6 is
> going to include quite a few of MSN Explorer's novice-user features.
Fine. Send the rest of the users to us ;-P.
