Matthew Thomas wrote:
> This discussion was not about whether Navigator's UI should contain a
> biff icon at all -- *it already does*.
That doesn't mean taht it's good. I think, that choice has been made for
technical reasons (XP), not UE. We have bugs for platform-integration of
biffs (as already references), but they are, of course, more work
(unless we can leverage existing third-party code).
>> So, do
>> you want to clobber them all [all apps] together in one suite,
>
> Eventually, yes.
Matthew, you miss the point of the OS.
> Or, alternatively, organize applications so that it is
> not obvious when you are switching from one to the other.
OK, as long as they are not one app, but are from different vendors,
interconnected via an open standard. That it can work you see already
with OLE, somewhat.
> (The
> distinction between these two approaches is a technical one only.)
Yes, but that is an important detail! You should know, where a
one-vendor world leads to. And I would could mozilla.org as one "vendor".
> Users
> should not have to care which application they are using at any given moment.
But you are asking for the opposite. An taskbar-integrated biff, well
integrates with the taskbar. A biff incorporated into Mozilla (or even
only Navgiator) works there only.
>> We are not here to heal the world. We provide internet software. We
>> cannot fix shortcommings of the OS.
>
> If that was true, then we wouldn't be bothering to implement Mozilla
> Navigator on Windows at all, since Windows comes with its own integrated
> Web browser already.
But it is not part of the OS, no matter what Microsoft wants to tell us.
> As a second example, take the existence of XP Toolkit.
...is an error IMO, for that very reason.
> it does allow us to avoid the bugs and other shortcomings in
> the native toolkits
hah! lol. If I compare Win32 or GTK widgets with Mozilla's, it is very
clear, which ones are more buggy. and I don't think, this will change in
the near future, or maybe ever. Simply because it is more economic to
have one widgetset for all apps.
> If the mountain won't come to Mozilla, then
> Mozilla must come to the mountain.
You meant the other way around, I guess.
> Yes. It is too small to show you the number of new messages, or whether
> any of those messages are of high priority -- all it shows you is a
> boolean indicator, yes you have new mail or no you do not.
Navigator's icons are only 32x32, too, I think.
> Because the Navigator toolbar is higher than the Navigator taskbar (or
> the Windows taskbar, or the Apple menu bar), so the icon can be larger.
See above.
>> Ah, yes, that's less bad, because you only read mail while you browse.
>> Not.
>
> `Not' indeed. I didn't say that at all.
Why do you want to take "my" biff away, while I don't browse, then?
>> Do you want to have 2 biffs?
>
> On Windows and Mac OS, we already do.
huh? how so?
> Remember, this discussion is just
> about where to put one of them.
So, you want 2 biffs? How do you justify this from a UE standpoint?
