Ben Bucksch wrote:
>
> Matthew Thomas wrote:
>
> > Not true. Messenger, Composer, and Chatzilla all have toolbars.
>
> And when I use none of them?
Then you still have the biff provided by your OS/desktop.
> > By the same argument, the GNOME Panel or KDE taskbar aren't part of
> > the OS either
>
> I do consider them part of the OS (just that the OS is modular), at
> least parts like session management and taskbar / starter.
Your opinion considering the Panel or taskbar to be part of the OS is
just as valid as Microsoft's opinion considering the Web browser to be
part of the OS.
>...
> who has more resources to hack widgetsets - Microsoft or Netscape?
Possibly mozilla.org, though I don't keep track of GTK development.
> If
> you were a free programmer: Would you like to work on GTK or
> XPToolkit? I guess, the answer lies more on the first choice in both
> cases.
Feel free to submit fixes to Apple or Microsoft for the bugs which have
existed for years in the text fields for their respective widget toolkits.
>...
> > And secondly, because (as I said) on today's monitors the one
> > provided by the OS has to be too small to be useful in order to be
> > small enough to be out of the way.
>
> Today's monitors have resolutions of 1024x768 or 1280x1024. Enough
> space for a biff shown all the time, if wanted.
Maximum resolutions, perhaps. But they are still predominantly set to
800 * 600.
> > as long as we have
> > awkward window managers running on our operating systems,
>
> worksforme. (Seriously, I have no idea what you refer to.)
>...
If it was possible (within two seconds of mousing) to arrange two
windows on your screen so that the first window took up the left third
of the screen and the second window took up the right two thirds, and if
it was then possible (within the same time limit) to drag a third window
below the first and have the first window shrink itself vertically to
make room ... then we could say that our window managers were good
enough for us not to need a sidebar.
--
Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla user interface QA
