Your post touches quite a number of things. 1. When mozilla.org makes access to its communications platforms public it is inevitable that interested laymen, i.e. users, visit the site.
2. the more users come visit, the better feedback re bugs you become 3. at openoffice.org we have mailinglists devoted to users. Their concerns are taken care for there. 4. netscape has no clear way to direct me to a newsgroup where I can discuss occasional questions about the behaviour of the software. I would like to go there but I never did find the right place. Maybe I'm an idiot. Usually not but maybe here. 5. Not every user who has found a bug has the time for long evaluation if this bug has already taken care for. I seem to have found one (filters). Now I have to check 137 filed bugs without understanding what has been written in the files. What else should I do then asking in the appropriate newsgroup if this has been already dealt with ? At openoffice.org we have mailing lists that are not or only diffcultly publicly accessible. Maybe this is what you should opt for. Jost Ben Bucksch wrote: > I counted roughly 75 posts at 2002-05-09 (CET) on > netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news. Not a *single one* of them was from a > developer about Mozilla development. Most of them were end-user > questions of the type "Can somebody help me with x?" or "Why doesn't it > work like y?" and the responses to them. That's 100% (!) noise (judging > from a quick look). > > The charter of the newsgroup <http://www.mozilla.org/community.html> is > (quoted in part): > >> Are you in the right place? >> >> The mailing lists and newsgroups described here are for Mozilla >> *developers*, not for end users. These lists are for discussions >> related to the Mozilla source code, by and for the Mozilla developer >> community. >> > (emphasis original) > >> Stay on topic >> please pay attention to the topic of your messages, and check that it >> still relates to the charter of the forum to which you are posting. > > > And specifically the .mail-news newsgroup: > >> Mail/News >> This forum is for discussions about the Mozilla mail and news reader; >> see the mail/news pages <http://www.mozilla.org/mailnews/> for more >> information. This would also be the place to discuss integrating >> Mozilla with other mail and news systems, and about message composition. > > > (This should be obvious from the name of the newsgroup alone, > nevertheless the noted day contains posts which are clearly about the > browser, not Mailnews.) > > If you haven't read the charter, please do it now. Some other > interesting bits: > >> Report bugs in Bugzilla, not in the Mozilla forums >> >> Edit your followups. >> >> No anonymous messages. >> > And, as always, search for previous discussions, if your question/topic > has been answered/discussed before. Redundant postings only waste time, > maybe not for the original poster, but for the rest of the people. (The > noted day also contains a reopening of a heated discussion we had > before, completely ignoring the old arguments.) > > This problem is IMO partially the fault of mozilla.org, but I'll save > this discussion for another time. > > So, please, could we go back to the original intend of this group and > restrict it to *development* of the Mailnews client? I count as > developer everyone who works on the source code and who runs builds to > find bugs (i.e. to goal is to find bugs, not just to got work done). If > you are an end-user and have a suggestion, please report it to your > Mozilla vendor like Netscape or Beonex. > Please do not answer questions that are offtopic. > >
