On Fri, 07 Jun 2002 07:02:14 -0500, Jay Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 07.06.02 06:44, David Simpson Replied As Follows: > >--- Original Message --- > >> On Thu, 06 Jun 2002 10:54:24 +0200, Sebastian Spaeth >> <Sebastian@SSpaethDOTde> wrote: >> >>>Ben Bucksch wrote: >>>> Well, I don't know, but they have their Netscape meetings and >>>> face-to-face talks, while I have only the newsgroup to stay in touch >>>> with the other developers. Bugzilla doesn't give the big picture. >>>> Currently, I lost completely track of what is going on with Mailnews. >>> >>>I completely agree. I used to like this group in order to announced of >>>new work in progress and on-the-edge features as well as discussion >>>about pros and cons of potential features. >>> >>>Right now, it's become a user support forum where all developers stopped >>>posting to /and probably reading it). Which I can't blame them for. >>> >>>Although the name of the newsgroups are misleading and therefore bound >>>to be misunderstood we should pursue a rather rude policy against end >>>customer questions in order to quiet down these groups. Couldn't we >>>quick and simple add a n.p.m.user-support group where people could ask >>>questions (until the mystical ng reorganization happens?) >>> >>>Sebastian >> >> Instead of adding a user-support group it would probably be easier to >> add a developer-only group. Users would tend to outnumber developers. >> Rudeness will only turn people(end users) against Mozilla. If you do >> that then why are you bothering to do any development work at all? >> After all there is nothing in this group name to suggest it is, or >> should be, reserved for developers. >> >> I understand that some user type groups were added to the secure >> server. I can't be bothered going to the trouble of trying to find >> those groups when this one is served up to me by my normal ISP news >> server. To my way of thinking it would make more sense to put the >> developer only groups on the secure server and leave these groups, >> which are in general usenet distribution, to the users and those who >> don't mind assisting the ever growing number of them. >> >> Just remember; with no end users you are wasting your time. >> > >"End Users" ... Whose "end users" ?? 3rd party software vendor's end >users, that's who. > Mozilla has end users as well. I don't want AOL's AIM software on my machine and I'm not particularly interested in the other vendors although I might just have to investigate some of them. >Mozilla is being developed for THOSE "end users", not its own. >Therefore, it is, or will be, the responsibility of those vendors to >support the product, not Mozilla's. This is a very deceiving situation >to the "end user" and it is mostly the fault of Netscape/Mozilla to >begin with by creating *.PUBLIC.* groups in the first place. We gotta >live with it or try to change it the best we can. Creating the end-user >groups on the "secure" server was the best option. The advantage is no >usenet feed, no spam feed, etc ... > SPAM can be blocked. My ISP does a very goods job of identifying it and I simply delete it unread. Spoofing of the address in an intelligent way foils most of the 'bots. >Netscape Navigator/Communicator support has been on the secure server >for years and years now and has been VERY successful. We went with the >proven plan. > And it is a pain in the butt to get to. Most of the time I don't, won't, go to the bother. >BTW, Netscape's proprietary version 7.0 is one of those so-called 3rd >party vendors. Netscape is supporting the product on the secure server >in dedicated 7.0 groups just as it has supported Communicator over the >years. In essence, if you support 7.0 you also support Mozilla simply >because 7.x is Mozilla with add-on features. We are getting a lot of >Mozilla questions/replies in the 7.0 groups. I've got Mozilla which lets me choose which portions I install, why do I need to get Netscape with its useless addons aka AIM which I have no say over whether it gets installed or not? Once it's installed itself AIM takes over the machine, robs me of drive space, free memory and tries to control my internet access. I do not want it. I'll just continue to use Mozilla.
