Wizard Marks wrote: The mother signed the kids up for sports at (Urban Ventures). She was first outraged that they fed her children ham sandwiches. Think about this: a traditional Jewish family keeps kosher, as this family did. That means that virtually anything her kids ate at UV would be traif, or unclean. The meat dishes and the milk dishes were the same dishes, etc. etc. Point being, why would you send your kosher family where they could not get kosher food under any circumstances? Most people don't know how to keep kosher, nor do they. This was a mother setting herself up for disappointment.
David Piehl writes: It's hard to tell how many times similar situations have played out; clearly more than once given the situation, and the most recent incident that Steve Brandt referenced is surely a different one than what Wizard is referring to. That said, I see a big part of the problem as the fact that UV doesn't make it clear that they have a religious agenda when they bring kids into their programs. That seems to be the common denominator here, and may even be one of the reasons they got funding, if complete disclosure wasn't provided. Their "mission" as interpreted on their website is equally fractured and difficult to follow. Check it out at www.urbanventures.org. Beyond that, I don't think it's fair to tell someone that didn't realize the UV programs involve religious elements that they set themselves up for failure, that's blaming the victim. As far as the concept of kosher goes, every Jewish person I know practices it differently, but one thing they all seem to agree on is that they will not eat pork. Beyond the ham sandwich, the mother that Wizard referenced was also upset that Urban Ventures was preaching Jesus to her Jewish children. I imagine the growing number of Moslem parents in the neighborhood will have the same concern. Wizard Marks wrote: However, the Bushies announced long since that they were going to change the paradigm of 'separation of church and state,' which they appear to be doing. David Piehl writes: I assume your pejorative refers to our president; the funding in question was allocated by not by our president but rather by our governor. David Piehl Central __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
