do you mind? I do like to match the fenomenon of this community. so, am I. FUCK politics. FUCK beaurocrats. I just need to do my work. I'm VERY happy I met Steve here, 'cause he provided me with the solution to my problem. yes, HE did it. someone else helped me here too. I will not reveal the names, as I'm afraid they can be flamed too. anyway, thanks.
back to the technical issues, through. as mentioned here several times, the gcc project was focused on i386-like arch since the beginning of 4- branch. happily, that suits cool for ARM arch too, but very bad for 16-bit mcu-s like msp430 or, AVR-s, for example. do you need details? look closer into sources, ok? some time ago I was in very tight need in i186 compiler. as I knew, there is a port named 'dgpp' for solving that task, but I was using watcom (openwatcom, cool!) there. so, gcc is not the panacea here, but the cheapest one solution. and, it's your decision if to use it or not. sorry for my bad english, as usual.... 2008/1/19, David Smead <[email protected]>: > > Oleg, > > You remind me of an engineer. Engineers focus entirely on the technical > issues and don't get "dirty" in the political/beauracratic arena. > Which is why engineers are typically underpaid and get little respect. > > Just who is going to beat up on TI and their lack of support for Open > Source projects if not us? I'm using gcc version 4.1.2 for ARM > development. The MSP430 project is stuck on version 3.2.3, which is > four years old. Does that tell you anything? > > > Sincerely, > > David Smead > www.amplepower.com > www.amplepower.net > > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Oleg V. Kobrin wrote: > > > слушайте, ну детский сад же! > > maybe it's better to return to things this mail list was created for? I do > not think people interested in personal opinions about TI's business > models > etc. IMHO, of course. this mail list is about open source product named > 'mspgcc', am I right? > > also, powerful enough developers community like this, can use it's minds > and > create a tool replacing the msp430-gdbproxy, and not for flaming here. > > 2008/1/18, Vitaly Luban <[email protected]>: > > > > Олежа, ты перепил сегодня, да? > > > > Oleg Verych wrote: > > > > >Please, don't forget "chicken and egg" problem. It *is* possible, that > > >job was offered just because of the work, MSPGCC developer did. > > > > > > > > > > > I couldn't care less. Steve was the one who refused to allow me access, > > I repeat. He was asking for some > > "proof that I'm a MSP430 developer". WTF? As if the fact that 2 reps, > > one from Avnet and another from > > Harvey King arranged that is not enough, those guys are making their > > money selling chips, including TI made > > ones, they wouldnt do what they were doing w/o serious reasons and > > expectations. > > > > But what's most repulsive, it's the behavior. As if it's me, who needs > > that stuff from TI, as if I'm a beggar > > pleading for a money in some state-funded burocratic pseudo-charity. > > Let's set things straight, I don't need > > freaking TI. They might as well eat their chips and receive their > > salaries in them. I have enough freedom > > of components choice and all the technical advantages in the world > > wouldn't force me to let anyone to talk > > to me as if I'm a beggar and he is charity director. Period. > > > > >Vitaly, disclosing private emails is a bad taste. > > > > > > > And who you will be to teach me? Self proclaimed etics guru? > > > > It's just that unlike those who were trying to shun me, blaming in lack > > of respect and undermining moral > > support to a volunteer, I know what I'm talking about, technical issues > > or not, regardless. If I'm in slightest > > doubt, I keep silence. So whoever will try to shun me pretending he/she > > knows better will get the proof to > > the contrary this instant. Its always been this way and always will be. > > > > > Now, i hope, you can > > >see how to implement JTAG stuff on PC. What's the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > Now, do you know what are you talking about? What the freaking stuff on > > PC? Do you have the slightest > > idea what that project was about? I bet not. Do you know where to get > > specs on using JTAG to debug MSP > > running code without begging for it? Ditto. What you wrote here about > > "JTAG stuff on PC" is not only > > irrelevant, it's offensive. Thanks g-d that majority on this list who > > have not ex-soviet experience don't understand > > that. > > > > So unless you know what are you talking about and you're sure that the > > stuff you want to convey has merit > > you better be silent, you look less than wise otherwise. ;) > > > > >Heck, so many noise around that PC software programming... > > > > > > > > > > > PC software programming my ass! (very angry) > > > > Vitaly. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Mspgcc-users mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mspgcc-users > > > > > > > -- > _____________ > Oleg V. Kobrin > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Mspgcc-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mspgcc-users > > -- _____________ Oleg V. Kobrin
