Oleg, You remind me of an engineer. Engineers focus entirely on the technical issues and don't get "dirty" in the political/beauracratic arena. Which is why engineers are typically underpaid and get little respect.
Just who is going to beat up on TI and their lack of support for Open Source projects if not us? I'm using gcc version 4.1.2 for ARM development. The MSP430 project is stuck on version 3.2.3, which is four years old. Does that tell you anything? Sincerely, David Smead www.amplepower.com www.amplepower.net On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Oleg V. Kobrin wrote:
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maybe it's better to return to things this mail list was created for? I do not think people interested in personal opinions about TI's business models etc. IMHO, of course. this mail list is about open source product named 'mspgcc', am I right? also, powerful enough developers community like this, can use it's minds and create a tool replacing the msp430-gdbproxy, and not for flaming here. 2008/1/18, Vitaly Luban <[email protected]>:
?????, ?? ??????? ???????, ??? Oleg Verych wrote: >Please, don't forget "chicken and egg" problem. It *is* possible, that >job was offered just because of the work, MSPGCC developer did. > > > I couldn't care less. Steve was the one who refused to allow me access, I repeat. He was asking for some "proof that I'm a MSP430 developer". WTF? As if the fact that 2 reps, one from Avnet and another from Harvey King arranged that is not enough, those guys are making their money selling chips, including TI made ones, they wouldnt do what they were doing w/o serious reasons and expectations. But what's most repulsive, it's the behavior. As if it's me, who needs that stuff from TI, as if I'm a beggar pleading for a money in some state-funded burocratic pseudo-charity. Let's set things straight, I don't need freaking TI. They might as well eat their chips and receive their salaries in them. I have enough freedom of components choice and all the technical advantages in the world wouldn't force me to let anyone to talk to me as if I'm a beggar and he is charity director. Period. >Vitaly, disclosing private emails is a bad taste. > And who you will be to teach me? Self proclaimed etics guru? It's just that unlike those who were trying to shun me, blaming in lack of respect and undermining moral support to a volunteer, I know what I'm talking about, technical issues or not, regardless. If I'm in slightest doubt, I keep silence. So whoever will try to shun me pretending he/she knows better will get the proof to the contrary this instant. Its always been this way and always will be. > Now, i hope, you can >see how to implement JTAG stuff on PC. What's the problem? > > > Now, do you know what are you talking about? What the freaking stuff on PC? Do you have the slightest idea what that project was about? I bet not. Do you know where to get specs on using JTAG to debug MSP running code without begging for it? Ditto. What you wrote here about "JTAG stuff on PC" is not only irrelevant, it's offensive. Thanks g-d that majority on this list who have not ex-soviet experience don't understand that. So unless you know what are you talking about and you're sure that the stuff you want to convey has merit you better be silent, you look less than wise otherwise. ;) >Heck, so many noise around that PC software programming... > > > PC software programming my ass! (very angry) Vitaly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Mspgcc-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mspgcc-users
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