If you used MLO to manage a team online, I imagine it’d turn into micromanaging.
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:13:03 AM UTC-7 imajeff wrote: > Wow KC I don't think that assumption is worth 2 cents to anyone actually > trying to manage team projects if they were properly trained to use > commercial solutions. Still, that debate is quite off-topic from the > question here. > > I agree it would help a lot to have capability for at least my family to > use a web app version so we could all see the same tasks wherever we are. I > just don't think the MLO code was written so far in a way that would make > the web app possible. In other words, pretty much a total recreation > online, would have to have clear technical documentation on how every > feature has to work so that it could be compatible. > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 6:28:32 AM UTC-6 KC Yang (KC) wrote: > >> I think there is a fine line between what MLO can do. Just my 2 cents. >> >> Thomas Girard 在 2022年1月3日 星期一下午5:59:42 [UTC+8] 的信中寫道： >> >>> mmmm.. I think MLO is a personal outliner. not a team Project management >>> tool. For project management you need something else. Like ASANA, >>> Openproject or something else. >>> >>> Le lun. 3 janv. 2022 à 10:54, KC Yang <[email protected]> a écrit : >>> >>>> A webapp version could be helpful for project collaboration by multiple >>>> users while personal important GTD can still place in MLO app, just my 2 >>>> cents. >>>> >>>> On Monday, 3 January 2022 at 17:45:57 UTC+8 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> MLO is powerfull because this is a software... and not an APP in a >>>>> browser. I have tested CHECKVIST and Dynalist during 1 year, which are >>>>> the >>>>> most advanced Wep outliner son the market and guess what... I'm moving >>>>> back >>>>> to MLO on Desktop and my productivity is finaly as high as it should be. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le vendredi 19 novembre 2021 à 03:07:27 UTC+1, imajeff a écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> Just keep in mind a few things: >>>>>> >>>>>> - The leaks and compromized passwords are not happening all over >>>>>> because they were "web apps". They happen the same whether it is web >>>>>> app, >>>>>> other type of server, and home computers. >>>>>> - One of the most talked about ways these days is social >>>>>> engineering (you were tricked into doing something) >>>>>> - Frankly, your own computer and everything on it's drives is not >>>>>> protected if you (1) have any amount of access to the Internet on >>>>>> your >>>>>> computer, (2) run any software not written by yourself because who >>>>>> can you >>>>>> trust, (3) your own software had a flaw that someone was able to >>>>>> exploit. >>>>>> - Those common holes in your local security are not even about >>>>>> whether your password was easy to guess for a hacker that can try >>>>>> passwords >>>>>> more than a million guesses per second. >>>>>> - For the infamous "wannacry" attacks, it was strictly the OS >>>>>> itself (like Windows XP with all updated security patches installed) >>>>>> which >>>>>> the users could not trust. The only way was to pull the plug on the >>>>>> Internet to be sure you were save from bad stuff being ran on your >>>>>> computer >>>>>> by hackers. >>>>>> >>>>>> So yeah there is a choice not to put our own data on the cloud for >>>>>> now, but we need to understand a lot more than that to protect ourselves >>>>>> these days. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 3:45:42 AM UTC-7 >>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Encryption of the database itself would be an additional level of >>>>>>> security, but the truth is, as we see from data leaks and compromised >>>>>>> passwords, that are regularly in the news, so far there is no truly >>>>>>> secure >>>>>>> way of running the internet and webapps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But webapps which reflect the current data, working with device apps >>>>>>> which have much shared design and code, are also an attractive option, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> I use some alongside MLO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Obviously the user decides, with any app, whether some data is best >>>>>>> kept offline for personal security. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laurence >>>>>>> On Tuesday, 16 November 2021 at 13:13:46 UTC Dwight wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me try to explain the security issue and why the expensive and >>>>>>>> burdensome task or maintaining separate code bases would do nothing to >>>>>>>> solve this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If a web app is going to work with your tasks, it needs read/write >>>>>>>> access to some database where your tasks are kept. The obvious choice >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> be the cloud synch database. But exposing your tasks to an internet >>>>>>>> app >>>>>>>> also exposes everyone else's tasks to the internet. You may not care >>>>>>>> if a >>>>>>>> hacker has access to your task list but there are some users who would >>>>>>>> object. It makes no difference whether you are I are on the same code >>>>>>>> base, >>>>>>>> if your app has access to the cloud synch database then my tasks are >>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>> same risk as yours. The way to manage this risk would be to >>>>>>>> incorporate >>>>>>>> security enhancements into the cloud synch database. For example, >>>>>>>> encrypting the data in the cloud sync database. This way, you would >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> the freedom to unlock your own tasks to your web app plus any >>>>>>>> attackers >>>>>>>> from the Internet who take an interest, while I would be able to leave >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> tasks secured. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Dwight >>>>>>>> On 11/10/2021 06:02, Laurence Glazier wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would certainly like this, and for the view designs to likewise >>>>>>>> be common to all devices. Everything drawn from the web. When MLO >>>>>>>> started, >>>>>>>> there was no such thing as a webapp. I am a paid-up supporter of MLO >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> Apple, Windows and Android, but would prefer an equivalent monthly sub >>>>>>>> together with a webapp. But I also like knowing I can keep the app >>>>>>>> versions >>>>>>>> I have paid for forever! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, 22 October 2021 at 02:30:14 UTC+1 imajeff wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you realize how old MyLifeOrganized still is, I'm sure it's >>>>>>>>> based on MFC, using Windows 98 technology wherever possible. It would >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> be like them to create a whole new cloud-based application, but if >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> did, you would be paying by the month not for installation license so >>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>> a whole new ballpark if they tried that. I would be very surprised, >>>>>>>>> as it >>>>>>>>> has been so awkward just getting to where they could syncronize data >>>>>>>>> via >>>>>>>>> the cloud. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd like to hear what Andre thinks these days about making a whole >>>>>>>>> new codebase for that, because more than a decade ago I could see why >>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>> didn't finish the Linux version either, and later gets a lot of flak >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> not haveing one also for Apple OS. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 2:09:02 PM UTC-6 >>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He'd have to have two separate systems then. Keep what there is >>>>>>>>>> now for those who want it and have the web version for those who >>>>>>>>>> want it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All I know is there was a web version of MLO, if it were >>>>>>>>>> possible, that is, it would do well because other former (or maybe >>>>>>>>>> current?) users of MLO are in the forums for other apps like >>>>>>>>>> TickTick and >>>>>>>>>> ClickUp making requests for features that MLO already has. It's only >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> matter of time until what Andrey is offering is easily found online. >>>>>>>>>> Regardless, I've got to move to something else that doesn't keep me >>>>>>>>>> restricted to the desktop or key fob because I use the calendar sync >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> the mobile apps don't have it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 2:44:49 PM UTC-4 Dwight wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You may have missed my point. If I use MLO/desktop AND I use >>>>>>>>>>> cloud sync, and you use MLO/webwhich is attached to the cloud file, >>>>>>>>>>> then my >>>>>>>>>>> data will be insecure even if I myself never use MLO/web. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you want me to explain this, write to me at [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Dwight >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On October 21, 2021 10:56:49 Joel <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Andrey could still keep MLO for desktop for those who are >>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid about that. I'm just asking for an online version for >>>>>>>>>>>> those who >>>>>>>>>>>> aren't. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 5:30:04 PM UTC-4 Dwight wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Joel. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Where will this app obtain access to my tasks? The most >>>>>>>>>>>>> logical. and easiest to program, would be to simply take the data >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>>>>>> cloud sync file.But that would be a problem for me. I already >>>>>>>>>>>>> consider the >>>>>>>>>>>>> security of the cloud sync file to be an area for concern. If any >>>>>>>>>>>>> miscreant >>>>>>>>>>>>> who has an app and can guess or steal my password can retrieve >>>>>>>>>>>>> all my tasks >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would consider MLO cloud sync to be profoundly insecure. That >>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>> shame because I really like MLO cloud sync. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dwight >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/2021 13:12, Joel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go into the reasons why I want it but mainly just want >>>>>>>>>>>>> to know if there's a web version of MLO in the works? 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