Have to weigh in in this! Grimes. Sorry. Yes — Grimes. Utterly soulless product without anything of cultural value to me, musical or otherwise. This discussion between these three entities makes me yawn. It’s all about money - absolutely nothing else - it’s the equivalent of Smash powdered potatoes - worse than that. These people are completely without musical talent - the so-name AI is less than the dirt under the nails of the Ed Blackwell. Technology is only about generating revenue. It does not help musicians - rap is a festering sore on the ass of the bourgeoisie. An undeniable itch - when scratched and cauterised momentarily it oozes some wealth for a tiny few participants. Sorry I rarely contribute to this list - and I dig you cats for keeping the stuff rumbling along the conveyor / keep it up and — where’s my Jazzmaster and homemade inks....
Sent from my spyphone > On 28 Nov 2019, at 18:11, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour > <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's definitely a discussion we need to have. It reminds me of a dinner I had > years ago w/ Cage who confirmed he criticized jazz because the player worked > with fixed rhythms. Something gets lost in these discussions; Adorno fails > miserably. > Ah well... It relates to my writing about 'somatic ghosting' I think. And I > always feel I have to justify myself (although the audience doesn't feel it) > when I show up playing an acoustic guitar for example. -- Alan > >> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 1:06 PM Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote: >> On 2019-11-27 7:40 p.m., Alan Sondheim wrote: >> >> This sounds so white/privileged to me, the position >> > of the listener paramount for example, the relegation of community to >> > reproduction, etc. It's a form of hip effacement. I realize I haven't >> > read everything HH's has written, but there's a fundamental difference >> > between a drum machine and a "great drummer" who came from community, >> > breathes within community, and contributes to community. Thinking for >> > example of free jazz, and the difficulties and explorations of the great >> > players, the relation of that music to the cry, the field holler, the >> > blues, gospel musics, etc. >> >> I think HH would agree with you. >> >> > and I keep returning to white white white white white and privilege. >> There is something class-bound about Grimes (currently dating a >> billionaire) and HH (whose last album was their PhD thesis) arguing >> about who the future will be worse for. But I suspect that our own >> reactions can be similarly reduced to our respective identities. >> >> There's obviously a bigger historical discussion about race, technology, >> intellectual property and music that AI and "AI" are just the latest >> phase of. Drum machines being prominent in rap and techno and disdain >> for them as tools may be related, for example. Given this, I'm genuinely >> surprised that AI has been instantly mainstreamed in music in the way >> that it seems to have. More like the Fairlight than the 808... >> >> - Rob. > > > -- > ===================================================== > directory http://www.alansondheim.org tel 718-813-3285 > email sondheim ut panix.com, sondheim ut gmail.com > ===================================================== > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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