Grimes - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Anthropocene
I’m a big fan of all three but for very different reasons. - Rob. On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 1:13 PM, Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> wrote: > Do you mean Grime Simon? I’m unclear. I think there is a big difference > between a healthy scepticism and nuanced discussion about how tech can on > occasion be ill used and the dismissal of whole swathes of work... > > [Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone](https://yho.com/footer0) > > On Wednesday, December 4, 2019, 6:36 pm, Simon Mclennan via NetBehaviour > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Have to weigh in in this! Grimes. Sorry. Yes — Grimes. Utterly soulless >> product without anything of cultural value to me, musical or otherwise. This >> discussion between these three entities makes me yawn. >> It’s all about money - absolutely nothing else - it’s the equivalent of >> Smash powdered potatoes - worse than that. >> These people are completely without musical talent - the so-name AI is less >> than the dirt under the nails of the Ed Blackwell. >> Technology is only about generating revenue. It does not help musicians - >> rap is a festering sore on the ass of the bourgeoisie. An undeniable itch - >> when scratched and cauterised momentarily it oozes some wealth for a tiny >> few participants. >> Sorry I rarely contribute to this list - and I dig you cats for keeping the >> stuff rumbling along the conveyor / keep it up and — where’s my Jazzmaster >> and homemade inks.... >> >> Sent from my spyphone >> >> On 28 Nov 2019, at 18:11, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It's definitely a discussion we need to have. It reminds me of a dinner I >>> had years ago w/ Cage who confirmed he criticized jazz because the player >>> worked with fixed rhythms. Something gets lost in these discussions; Adorno >>> fails miserably. >>> Ah well... It relates to my writing about 'somatic ghosting' I think. And I >>> always feel I have to justify myself (although the audience doesn't feel >>> it) when I show up playing an acoustic guitar for example. -- Alan >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 1:06 PM Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2019-11-27 7:40 p.m., Alan Sondheim wrote: >>>>>> This sounds so white/privileged to me, the position >>>>> of the listener paramount for example, the relegation of community to >>>>> reproduction, etc. It's a form of hip effacement. I realize I haven't >>>>> read everything HH's has written, but there's a fundamental difference >>>>> between a drum machine and a "great drummer" who came from community, >>>>> breathes within community, and contributes to community. Thinking for >>>>> example of free jazz, and the difficulties and explorations of the great >>>>> players, the relation of that music to the cry, the field holler, the >>>>> blues, gospel musics, etc. >>>> >>>> I think HH would agree with you. >>>> >>>>> and I keep returning to white white white white white and privilege. >>>> There is something class-bound about Grimes (currently dating a >>>> billionaire) and HH (whose last album was their PhD thesis) arguing >>>> about who the future will be worse for. But I suspect that our own >>>> reactions can be similarly reduced to our respective identities. >>>> >>>> There's obviously a bigger historical discussion about race, technology, >>>> intellectual property and music that AI and "AI" are just the latest >>>> phase of. Drum machines being prominent in rap and techno and disdain >>>> for them as tools may be related, for example. Given this, I'm genuinely >>>> surprised that AI has been instantly mainstreamed in music in the way >>>> that it seems to have. More like the Fairlight than the 808... >>>> >>>> - Rob. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> =====================================================directory >>> http://www.alansondheim.org tel [718-813-3285](tel:718-813-3285) >>> email sondheim ut panix.com, sondheim ut gmail.com >>> >>> ===================================================== >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >>>
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