On the contrary. I absolutely reject the content, such as it was, of your criticism. My whole point was that you'd neglected even the most elementary of the critic's responsibilities and that *therein* lay the weakness of your "content". Do some research, write something informed & of substance, pro or con, about Alan's work & let's have a genuine discussion :) michael
--- bob catchpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Michael, > > I note you find fault in the form of my criticism, > not the content... > > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Michael Szpakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed > creativity <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October, 2007 11:47:35 PM > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] no > > Ho-hum -we've been here before- a lot- with similar > 'discussions' of Alan's work. > How much of Alan's work have you seen Bob? Do you > have > any idea of the context of his work? Did you even > attempt get some sort of wider picture of what he > does > before you attacked him on the basis of a single > piece? > I understand that it is in the nature of a > discussion > list that people come to it afresh, that work is > posted without any obvious signposts or easy context > but that does place a responsibility on the critic > to > *inform* themselves before rushing into judgement. > If you'd cited, perhaps, a couple of Alan's movies, > some of his music/sound work, some of the poetry ( > or > even given some indication that you'd *bothered* to > find out that a *body* of widely varying work exists > & > that some of the admitted peculiarities of the piece > you attacked could begin to be understood against > that > background) & *then* made a reasoned case for why > it's > somehow unworthy then I might have disagreed but > you'd > have fulfilled your responsibilites as an > commentator > & we'd have a starting point for a genuine > discussion. > michael > > --- bob catchpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Karen, > > > > "Total subjectivity" is the unavoidable condition > of > > babies... I find in an adult, the relentless spew > is > > obnoxious egoism... James Joyce seemed to have > done > > the subjective voice so much better 90 years > ago... > > > > Bob > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: karen blissett > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed > > creativity <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October, 2007 2:08:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] no > > > > > > >I believe this is solipsism run riot... always > > ending up its own arse.... How about an effort at > > clarity, simplicity and beauty?... the qualities > of > > the best ideas in art, science, philosophy etc?... > > > > Aha, > > > > > > Are you asking Alan to ignore his subjective > voice, > > mutate away into a realm of modernist > invisibility. > > A sliding from personal and intuitive politick to > a > > static non-fluid essence of accepted poise. > > > > His language and functions antagonise the ideals > and > > pedagogical, crumbly mono-theisms that choke us > into > > accepting the norm. > > > > > > Perhaps his voice is performance, a noise that > > thrives on the energy of being, this perpetual > state > > of being is irrational, illogical and engulfed in > > total subjectivity. > > > > Surely total subjectivity is a form simplicity in > > its own right and therefore a kin to beauty, thus > > flouting the lies of science with impunity and > > simultaneously freeing the voice and mind from the > > bondage of unreality or our presumed realities. > > > > > > Formal concerns are not in any way pure, purity is > > imaginary, transparent and subjective, as is > beauty. > > > > In a previous life, Plato believed that he had > been > > a bush. Pythagoras saw a similarity between the > > substance of his brain and his own semen. As far > as > > I a concerned, how Alan expounds his noise is his > > own business and creative choice. > > > > > > I may not always agree with the content but I do > > agree with the context :-) > > > > karen > > > > > > > > On 10/16/07, bob catchpole < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Renee, > > > > I'm all for sharing ideas, insights, > inspirations... > > I was objecting to willful obfuscation... What > ideas > > are are evolving here?... > > > > > > "the avatartist are all space, all time, visible, > > invisible, > > transparent, > > translucent, of here and there opaque, they murmur > > we are all > > avatartist, > > are of saying nothing, whispering nothing, > murmuring > > nothing, all in > > the > > true world. the avatartist are writing this, us, > > them, there, here, > > now, > > then, they are writing > > this-us-them-there-here-now-then, they are > > writing > > and writing, they are writing nothing...." > > > > I believe this is solipsism run riot... always > > ending up its own arse.... How about an effort at > > clarity, simplicity and beauty?... the qualities > of > > the best ideas in art, science, philosophy etc?... > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Renee Turner < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed > > creativity <[email protected] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October, 2007 8:33:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] no > > > > Hi Alan, > > > > I also appreciate your posts and watching your > ideas > > evolve. So, as > > far as I'm concerned, keep them coming. > > > > > > One of the things I like about this list is that > > people can present > > things in process. To me, it's the very spirit of > > netbehaviour :-) > > > > best, > > > > Renee > > > > www.geuzen.org > > On 15 Oct 2007, at 15:55, Alan Sondheim wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > no it's not bullshit; I'm working through > > ontologies and > > > epistemologies of > > > avatars/the virtual, using both formal topology > > and Buddhist > > > > > philosophy, > > > specifically several works by Nagarjuna as well > as > > the > > > Hevajratantra and > > > Visuddhimaggha. Terms like the true world > > reference emptiness and the > > > absence of worlding, 'gathering' references > > aggregrates, and > > filtering > > > comes from things I've written before on > > inscription. Since you've > > > called > > > it bullshit, I really don't want to engage in a > > debate about its > > > merits > > > and if Marc wants I'll desist here, but from my > > end (and for that > > > > > matter > > > the reading of other people I respect) I'm on to > > something and want > > to > > > follow it through; certainly it's relevant > > literally to netbehaviour. > > > > > > - Alan > > > > > > > > > > > ====================================================================== > > > > > = > > > Work on YouTube, blog at > > http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel > > > 718-813-3285. > > > Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org > > . Email: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim > for > > theory; also > > check > > > WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. 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