hey karen i think your thoughts are beautiful -
understanding bobs feelings though :(
Hi Max,
Not only do I blush in response to your generous comment, but I am also
(subjectively) impressed by your name 'max'. It is such a beautiful name.
Consider my retort here as complimentary swap :-)
>understanding bobs feelings though :(
I appreciate your comment regarding Alan's prolific tendencies, but I feel
that the larger issue is that not enough people on the list discuss and
share their ideas - this means that Alan's work will annoy people when other
content is not aired so regularly.
I have been on many other lists and I have grown to like the mixture of
people using Netbehaviour. I am not precisely sure what the magic of it all
actually is, but there is something that works here. When the DIWO email art
networked collaboration suddenly kicked into gear on this list, it felt
special and seemed to own it.
You cannot buy this stuff, thankfully.
karen.
hey karen i think your thoughts are beautiful -
understanding bobs feelings though :(
this list is a feast and a challenge :-)
max
On 17/10/2007, karen blissett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I believe this is solipsism run riot... always ending up its own
arse.... How about an effort at clarity, simplicity and beauty?... the
qualities of the best ideas in art, science, philosophy etc?...
Aha,
Are you asking Alan to ignore his subjective voice, mutate away into
a realm of modernist invisibility. A sliding from personal and intuitive
politick to a static non-fluid essence of accepted poise.
His language and functions antagonise the ideals and pedagogical,
crumbly mono-theisms that choke us into accepting the norm.
Perhaps his voice is performance, a noise that thrives on the energy
of being, this perpetual state of being is irrational, illogical and
engulfed in total subjectivity.
Surely total subjectivity is a form simplicity in its own right and
therefore a kin to beauty, thus flouting the lies of science with impunity
and simultaneously freeing the voice and mind from the bondage of unreality
or our presumed realities.
Formal concerns are not in any way pure, purity is imaginary,
transparent and subjective, as is beauty.
In a previous life, Plato believed that he had been a bush.
Pythagoras saw a similarity between the substance of his brain and his own
semen. As far as I a concerned, how Alan expounds his noise is his own
business and creative choice.
I may not always agree with the content but I do agree with the
context :-)
karen
On 10/16/07, bob catchpole < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Renee,
I'm all for sharing ideas, insights, inspirations... I was
objecting to willful obfuscation... What ideas are are evolving here?...
"the avatartist are all space, all time, visible, invisible,
transparent,
translucent, of here and there opaque, they murmur we are all
avatartist,
are of saying nothing, whispering nothing, murmuring nothing,
all in the
true world. the avatartist are writing this, us, them, there,
here, now,
then, they are writing this-us-them-there-here-now-then, they
are writing
and writing, they are writing nothing...."
I believe this is solipsism run riot... always ending up its own
arse.... How about an effort at clarity, simplicity and beauty?... the
qualities of the best ideas in art, science, philosophy etc?...
Bob
----- Original Message ----
From: Renee Turner < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <
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Sent: Tuesday, 16 October, 2007 8:33:29 AM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] no
Hi Alan,
I also appreciate your posts and watching your ideas evolve.
So, as
far as I'm concerned, keep them coming.
One of the things I like about this list is that people can
present
things in process. To me, it's the very spirit of netbehaviour
:-)
best,
Renee
www.geuzen.org
On 15 Oct 2007, at 15:55, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>
>
> no it's not bullshit; I'm working through ontologies and
> epistemologies of
> avatars/the virtual, using both formal topology and Buddhist
> philosophy,
> specifically several works by Nagarjuna as well as the
> Hevajratantra and
> Visuddhimaggha. Terms like the true world reference emptiness
and the
> absence of worlding, 'gathering' references aggregrates, and
filtering
> comes from things I've written before on inscription. Since
you've
> called
> it bullshit, I really don't want to engage in a debate about
its
> merits
> and if Marc wants I'll desist here, but from my end (and for
that
> matter
> the reading of other people I respect) I'm on to something and
want to
> follow it through; certainly it's relevant literally to
netbehaviour.
>
> - Alan
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