This is extremely interesting; I should also mention the work I did with Sandy Baldwin on pain and death for Eyebeam, which is still up, I think, at the blog http://eyebeam.org/blogs/alansondheim/ - Eyebeam's moved and the site is a mess, but there's still information. This was a few years ago.

My work now isn't about the image or representation, but is trying to go somewhere else; otherwise I repeat myself, or repeat politics, repeat repeat repeat myself, as if this is a form of healing or cauterization. So I'm working for better or worse, quite possibly the later which seems my forte, with poesis/poetics and that's what's going on in the current pieces. I've written something short on this which I'll put up.

Beyond this, my work was around 2011, yours 2005 I think? And now we are in a different space, wars and violence against civilizians EVERYWHERE, and what is our response?

And those not participating in the discussion, why not? I keep reading my email, Fb, etc. and there's a huge divide - Wired-mag style technology news saving the world - and the very real savagry destroying large portions of it.

Thank you for the discussion and references,

Alan


On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Ana Vald?s wrote:

For many years ago I participated in a show with many writers, acitvists and
artists, the topic was Images of War in Contemporary world,
http://jordancrandall.com/main/+UNDERFIRE/underfire.html
Two small books collected our discussions, Under Fire one and two,
http://www.amazon.com/Jordan-Crandall-Under-Fire-Part/dp/907336261X


It was the French curator Catherine David, the first appointed female
curator at Documenta., who was the chef for Witte de Witt Art Centre in
Rotterdam, Holland, who was behind the show and many others dealing with the
images of the Arabs in the Contemporary World.
She was one of the first Western curators in the world of visual arts trying
to understand how the image of the Arabs was coloured with many prejudges
and ignorance.

Her work with these issues can still be viewed here,
http://www.fundaciotapies.org/site/spip.php?article4543

The last station of her ongoing touring exhibitions was about Iraq and she
invited to Berlin, to Barcelona and to Sweden some of the most interesting
artists and writers from the Iraqui diaspora,
http://www.fundaciotapies.org/site/spip.php?article4543

I curated the Swedish part, connecting it with my own project, Crusading,
http://ceciliaparsberg.se/crusading/about.htm

Ana



On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote:


      I'd love to see work, here, or a show, or something, a
      conversation, around these things. At one point a few weeks ago,
      I saw an American newscaster preparing for the news, he was
      holding back tears, looking shell-shocked -


      On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Ana Vald?s wrote:

      by the way, written f?r a Lybian poet, friend of a friend,
      some hours ago:

      "

      Tripoli on fire. I have fled my house after attacks by
      rockets. It was
      looted & occupied by militias. Things are going for more
      chaos."


      Now when Gaza is relative calm Tripoli burns...

      Ana



      On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Alan Sondheim
      <[email protected]> wrote:


            I want to thank everyone as well, working in these
      areas isn't,
            for me, like doing art in a way, but trying to
      disentangle
            anguish. I have no idea how to go anywhere with
      this,
            politically; I feel hopeless, and the U.S. is a
      convoluted mess
            of ideologies - not even competing, but isolated
      from
            each other. Argh! (not the right expletive, but I'm
      not sure
            what would be!)

            Thank you again, Alan

            On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, dave miller wrote:

                  Well done Alan for tackling these subjects. I
      agree
                  artists should not be
                  silent (and that includes me, but am
      struggling to
                  get my creative act
                  together at present). But you are an
      inspiration to
                  me - please keep up the
                  great work!
                  Ana - I had contact with Opus Dei many years
      ago. I
                  was a student at
                  manchester University and desperately needed
                  somewhere to live. All the
                  student flats and halls had been filled by the
      time
                  I started looking and
                  the only accommodation the Uni had available
      was a
                  hall of residence run by
                  the Opus Dei. As a naive 19 year old I was
                  interviewed by a very stern
                  spanish man in a brown cloak, dressed like a
      monk,
                  who said I could live
                  there but I would have to go to mass at 6am
      every
                  morning. I was brought up
                  as a catholic so it wasn't too alien to me,
      and I
                  was unsure at that stage
                  of my life if I believed or not, but I turned
      them
                  down as i remember having
                  very strange feelings about the whole setup,
      plus
                  the mass idea was a
                  nightmare. Also I knew I couldn't survive in a
      place
                  like that, it felt like
                  a monastery. But there were people there I
                  recognised from my course, and I
                  remember their reaction to me was strange like
      I'd
                  seen them as they really
                  were.
                  I've heard a lot of horror stories about Opus
      Dei
                  since and can't believe I
                  stupidly found myself in that situation.

                  Your account about being tortured is
      fascinating -
                  heart breaking -
                  terrifying and very thought provoking. Thanks
      for
                  sharing something so
                  personal.

                  cheers dave




                  On 27 August 2014 18:57, Alan Sondheim
                  <[email protected]> wrote:

                        I will read it and I know all of this
      and I
                  was also shot at in
                        Israel years ago and I am horrified by
      Israel.
                  I do think ISIS
                        is the result of something else but it
      is the
                  logic of the war
                        machine, the Israeli war machine ours,
      the
                  streets of Ferguson -
                        which could be anywhere in the U.S. What
      I'm
                  arguing is that
                        this something else cannot be explained,
      that
                  poetics are
                        necessary - and why are artists so
      silent on
                  this?
                        This is NOT US against THEM - this is US
                  against ourselves.

                        I also feel, having been a somewhat
      minor
                  member of the left all
                        thru the 60s in the US etc. etc. that we
      too
                  easily blame
                        ourselves for EVERYTHING - we are part
      of the
                  problem, but so is
                        ISIS. The "also" is important below -
      they are
                  more than these
                        children. I've known a lot of children
      of
                  concentration camp
                        parents and their reactions are wildly
      varied
                  (including in
                        several cases moving to Germany); none
      of this
                  is simple cause
                        and affect.

                        I was also btw in Israel when Nassir was
                  calling for the Jews to
                        be drowned in the sea, when my friends
      were
                  being shot at, when
                        I had a knife pulled on me in my own
      dorm
                  room, when an Arab who
                        was my friend was beaten to an inch of
      his
                  life and dropped in a
                        gully (beaten by other Arabs). Violence
      breeds
                  violence. I'm not
                        trying to analyze the politics of ISIS -
      I
                  read about them but
                        I'm not capable of political science -
      but I
                  am trying to deal
                        with the poetics/poesis of what's inside
      each
                  of us.

                        Alan

                        On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Ana Vald?s wrote:

                        Alan, read it, please, ISIS is also the
                  children of the
                        terrible war againt Irak, a war based on
      false
                  information
                        and cheap oil. ISIS is the children of
      the
                  drones hitting
                        villagers weddings in Pakistan. No, we
      don't
                  see the
                        drones but the victims see us, all,
      Westerner,
                  as the ones
                        sending the drones.

                       
                 
      www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/25/how-brutalized-become-brutal

                        I was in Gaza some years ago, the same
      week
                  Rachel Corrie
                        was killed,
                        crushed by a bulldozzer send to crush
      the
                  houses at the
                        border.
                        Many small kids ran to the morgue to see
      her
                  dead body, I
                        wonder how many of
                        them are in the ranks of Hamas today.

                        I was myselt tortured for many years
      ago, I
                  was tortured
                        by fellow landsmen
                        who believed they needed punish me for
      not
                  sharing their
                        ideas about many
                        things

                       
                 
      http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/03/28/torture-works/

                        I marched with the women survivors of
                  Srebrenica in the
                        ex-Yugoslavia some
                        years ago as well, they want still
      justice for
                  their dead
                        relatives

                        We live in a time where Ferguson, Gaza,
                  Montevideo,
                        Srebrenica, carry
                        painful memories to share.

                        Ana


                        On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Alan
      Sondheim
                        <[email protected]> wrote:


                              ISIS NEWFLAG

                             
      http://www.alansondheim.org/isisflag.png
                             
      http://www.alansondheim.org/isisflag.mp4

                              A new flag for ISIS. A cross
      turned,
                  kindly bent to
                        let
                              the bodies down, perhaps an arm
      remains,
                  propping
                        the
                              rest of the weight. the wounded.
      Perhaps
                  an X, sign
                        of
                              belonging, gratitude to the
      beautiful
                  clean world.
                        There
                              are no animals here. Perhaps an X
      which
                  itself moves
                        in
                              violence, the focus of someone
      else's
                  dream: it was
                        the
                              land and its god which did the
      dreaming.
                  Perhaps an
                              occlusion of solar light, a
      moment's
                  cooling. But a
                        new
                              flag, new allure, new days and new
                  bodies.

                              The allure of the X as well, a new
      flat
                  for the
                        taking,
                              copyright patent NEWFLAG, new
      bodies,
                  worlds to
                        conquer.
                              New: forms of torture, ransom,
      violence,
                  pillage.
                              New: nations, cleansings, war
      machines,
                  prisons.
                              New: religions new-day dawning,
      new
                  controls.
                              New: cleansed women, children.
      New:
                  thanks be to
                        God.
                              Thanks be to God. HE almighty.
      Thanks be
                  to God.

                              Perhaps an X, carved, above or
      through
                  the eyes.

                             
                 
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