But my point is exactly the same as you, the wars and the violence against
civilians IS the same, 70000 ppl were killed in Jerusalem in two days by the
Christian army 1099.. They were not only Muslims, they were Jews and
Christians are well, Copts and Maronites. Saladin, who recovered the city
for the Arabs 300 years later, was more merciful and all Christians and
their churches were kept intact. Later on we had genocides and massacres to
all indigenous ppl in America, both North and South. Spain burned alive
Jews, Arabs and Protestants, the Inquisition was ruthless.
And all those tens of millions Black Africans shipped as slaves to the US
and Europe, sold as animals, killed as vermin.
And Turkey wiping out the Armenian, genocide as well.
And after the Holocaust where not only Jews but gypsies homosexuals and
mental ill come other Holocausts, 30000 in Argentina and Uruguay, 1000000 in
Guatemala and Salvador, later the Rwanda holocaust and the Bosnian
holocaust...and so many holocausts we see and how many more we will see.
Between my work 2005 and yours 2011 its not any difference, we see the
harvest now of the grapes of wrath which were planted then.
Ana
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote:
This is extremely interesting; I should also mention the work I
did with Sandy Baldwin on pain and death for Eyebeam, which is
still up, I think, at the blog
http://eyebeam.org/blogs/alansondheim/ - Eyebeam's moved and the
site is a mess, but there's still information. This was a few
years ago.
My work now isn't about the image or representation, but is
trying to go somewhere else; otherwise I repeat myself, or
repeat politics, repeat repeat repeat myself, as if this is a
form of healing or cauterization. So I'm working for better or
worse, quite possibly the later which seems my forte, with
poesis/poetics and that's what's going on in the current pieces.
I've written something short on this which I'll put up.
Beyond this, my work was around 2011, yours 2005 I think? And
now we are in a different space, wars and violence against
civilizians EVERYWHERE, and what is our response?
And those not participating in the discussion, why not? I keep
reading my email, Fb, etc. and there's a huge divide - Wired-mag
style technology news saving the world - and the very real
savagry destroying large portions of it.
Thank you for the discussion and references,
Alan
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Ana Vald?s wrote:
For many years ago I participated in a show with
many writers, acitvists and
artists, the topic was Images of War in Contemporary
world,
http://jordancrandall.com/main/+UNDERFIRE/underfire.html
Two small books collected our discussions, Under
Fire one and two,
http://www.amazon.com/Jordan-Crandall-Under-Fire-Part/dp/907336261X
It was the French curator Catherine David, the first
appointed female
curator at Documenta., who was the chef for Witte de
Witt Art Centre in
Rotterdam, Holland, who was behind the show and many
others dealing with the
images of the Arabs in the Contemporary World.
She was one of the first Western curators in the
world of visual arts trying
to understand how the image of the Arabs was
coloured with many prejudges
and ignorance.
Her work with these issues can still be viewed here,
http://www.fundaciotapies.org/site/spip.php?article4543
The last station of her ongoing touring exhibitions
was about Iraq and she
invited to Berlin, to Barcelona and to Sweden some
of the most interesting
artists and writers from the Iraqui diaspora,
http://www.fundaciotapies.org/site/spip.php?article4543
I curated the Swedish part, connecting it with my
own project, Crusading,
http://ceciliaparsberg.se/crusading/about.htm
Ana
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Alan Sondheim
<[email protected]> wrote:
I'd love to see work, here, or a show, or
something, a
conversation, around these things. At one
point a few weeks ago,
I saw an American newscaster preparing for the
news, he was
holding back tears, looking shell-shocked -
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Ana Vald?s wrote:
by the way, written f?r a Lybian poet, friend
of a friend,
some hours ago:
"
Tripoli on fire. I have fled my house after
attacks by
rockets. It was
looted & occupied by militias. Things are
going for more
chaos."
Now when Gaza is relative calm Tripoli
burns...
Ana
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Alan Sondheim
<[email protected]> wrote:
I want to thank everyone as well,
working in these
areas isn't,
for me, like doing art in a way, but
trying to
disentangle
anguish. I have no idea how to go
anywhere with
this,
politically; I feel hopeless, and the
U.S. is a
convoluted mess
of ideologies - not even competing, but
isolated
from
each other. Argh! (not the right
expletive, but I'm
not sure
what would be!)
Thank you again, Alan
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, dave miller wrote:
Well done Alan for tackling these
subjects. I
agree
artists should not be
silent (and that includes me, but
am
struggling to
get my creative act
together at present). But you are
an
inspiration to
me - please keep up the
great work!
Ana - I had contact with Opus Dei
many years
ago. I
was a student at
manchester University and
desperately needed
somewhere to live. All the
student flats and halls had been
filled by the
time
I started looking and
the only accommodation the Uni had
available
was a
hall of residence run by
the Opus Dei. As a naive 19 year
old I was
interviewed by a very stern
spanish man in a brown cloak,
dressed like a
monk,
who said I could live
there but I would have to go to
mass at 6am
every
morning. I was brought up
as a catholic so it wasn't too
alien to me,
and I
was unsure at that stage
of my life if I believed or not,
but I turned
them
down as i remember having
very strange feelings about the
whole setup,
plus
the mass idea was a
nightmare. Also I knew I couldn't
survive in a
place
like that, it felt like
a monastery. But there were people
there I
recognised from my course, and I
remember their reaction to me was
strange like
I'd
seen them as they really
were.
I've heard a lot of horror stories
about Opus
Dei
since and can't believe I
stupidly found myself in that
situation.
Your account about being tortured
is
fascinating -
heart breaking -
terrifying and very thought
provoking. Thanks
for
sharing something so
personal.
cheers dave
On 27 August 2014 18:57, Alan
Sondheim
<[email protected]> wrote:
I will read it and I know
all of this
and I
was also shot at in
Israel years ago and I am
horrified by
Israel.
I do think ISIS
is the result of something
else but it
is the
logic of the war
machine, the Israeli war
machine ours,
the
streets of Ferguson -
which could be anywhere in
the U.S. What
I'm
arguing is that
this something else cannot
be explained,
that
poetics are
necessary - and why are
artists so
silent on
this?
This is NOT US against THEM
- this is US
against ourselves.
I also feel, having been a
somewhat
minor
member of the left all
thru the 60s in the US etc.
etc. that we
too
easily blame
ourselves for EVERYTHING -
we are part
of the
problem, but so is
ISIS. The "also" is
important below -
they are
more than these
children. I've known a lot
of children
of
concentration camp
parents and their reactions
are wildly
varied
(including in
several cases moving to
Germany); none
of this
is simple cause
and affect.
I was also btw in Israel
when Nassir was
calling for the Jews to
be drowned in the sea, when
my friends
were
being shot at, when
I had a knife pulled on me
in my own
dorm
room, when an Arab who
was my friend was beaten to
an inch of
his
life and dropped in a
gully (beaten by other
Arabs). Violence
breeds
violence. I'm not
trying to analyze the
politics of ISIS -
I
read about them but
I'm not capable of political
science -
but I
am trying to deal
with the poetics/poesis of
what's inside
each
of us.
Alan
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Ana
Vald?s wrote:
Alan, read it, please, ISIS
is also the
children of the
terrible war againt Irak, a
war based on
false
information
and cheap oil. ISIS is the
children of
the
drones hitting
villagers weddings in
Pakistan. No, we
don't
see the
drones but the victims see
us, all,
Westerner,
as the ones
sending the drones.
www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/25/how-brutalized-become-brutal
I was in Gaza some years
ago, the same
week
Rachel Corrie
was killed,
crushed by a bulldozzer send
to crush
the
houses at the
border.
Many small kids ran to the
morgue to see
her
dead body, I
wonder how many of
them are in the ranks of
Hamas today.
I was myselt tortured for
many years
ago, I
was tortured
by fellow landsmen
who believed they needed
punish me for
not
sharing their
ideas about many
things
http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/03/28/torture-works/
I marched with the women
survivors of
Srebrenica in the
ex-Yugoslavia some
years ago as well, they want
still
justice for
their dead
relatives
We live in a time where
Ferguson, Gaza,
Montevideo,
Srebrenica, carry
painful memories to share.
Ana
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 2:35
PM, Alan
Sondheim
<[email protected]> wrote:
ISIS NEWFLAG
http://www.alansondheim.org/isisflag.png
http://www.alansondheim.org/isisflag.mp4
A new flag for ISIS. A
cross
turned,
kindly bent to
let
the bodies down,
perhaps an arm
remains,
propping
the
rest of the weight.
the wounded.
Perhaps
an X, sign
of
belonging, gratitude
to the
beautiful
clean world.
There
are no animals here.
Perhaps an X
which
itself moves
in
violence, the focus of
someone
else's
dream: it was
the
land and its god which
did the
dreaming.
Perhaps an
occlusion of solar
light, a
moment's
cooling. But a
new
flag, new allure, new
days and new
bodies.
The allure of the X as
well, a new
flat
for the
taking,
copyright patent
NEWFLAG, new
bodies,
worlds to
conquer.
New: forms of torture,
ransom,
violence,
pillage.
New: nations,
cleansings, war
machines,
prisons.
New: religions new-day
dawning,
new
controls.
New: cleansed women,
children.
New:
thanks be to
God.
Thanks be to God. HE
almighty.
Thanks be
to God.
Perhaps an X, carved,
above or
through
the eyes.
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