What's new is a global market and global communications. So that now we can see how pervasive, how common, how /ordinary/, as Hannah Arendt said, human greed/power/insanity is, whose shadow, since WW II, is cast on a global scale.

Marshall McLuhan once pointed out that in order to meet an enemy you must play on his field; you must become him. A lesson the CIA has learned well.. We saw this plainly in WWII, with the firebombing of Dresden and the unleashing of the American brand of Hell on Japanese cities. That once humanity set itself on that road could be stopped was as unlikely as WW I being "the war to end all wars."

However, I like to think that enough young people will see that they have no future, that their elders are bent on destroying the entire ecosystem in the name of wealth, ideology and religion, and will turn humanity in a different, saner, direction, in time. I like to think...

-Joel



On 8/27/2014 8:10 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:

I think our difference is twofold - for me the grapes of wrath have always been there, as far back as one chooses to go - work done on massive mega- fauna extinctions bears this out. (Bad pun, sorry.) And also, at the same time, the situation, now, is utterly new, imminent. What does one do with young children being forced to watch executions by ISIS? - at the same time they're being armed? In the U.S. a 9 year old was being trained on a machine gune (Israeli uzi, curse them), and accidently shot the instructor - Syria's using chemical weapons, everyone's using social media, smart bombs, drones, here in the U.S. we'd rather stare at our phones or click likes. It's not new, yes, but the pervasiveness is new, the corrosion.

And I used to have dreams that the world was getting to be a better place to live - even recently there was Pinker's book - and now we seem to be in a slow descent, this time taking the planet with us.

- Alan, wondering how the hell any of us survived.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Ana Vald?s wrote:

But my point is exactly the same as you, the wars and the violence against civilians IS the same, 70000 ppl were killed in Jerusalem in two days by the
Christian army 1099.. They were not only Muslims, they were Jews and
Christians are well, Copts and Maronites. Saladin, who recovered the city
for the Arabs 300 years later, was more merciful and all Christians and
their churches were kept intact. Later on we had genocides and massacres to
all indigenous ppl in America, both North and South. Spain burned alive
Jews, Arabs and Protestants, the Inquisition was ruthless.
And all those tens of millions Black Africans shipped as slaves to the US
and Europe, sold as animals, killed as vermin.
And Turkey wiping out the Armenian, genocide as well.
And after the Holocaust where not only Jews but gypsies homosexuals and
mental ill come other Holocausts, 30000 in Argentina and Uruguay, 1000000 in
Guatemala and Salvador, later the Rwanda holocaust and the Bosnian
holocaust...and so many holocausts we see and how many more we will see.
Between my work 2005 and yours 2011 its not any difference, we see the
harvest now of the grapes of wrath which were planted then.
Ana


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote:


      This is extremely interesting; I should also mention the work I
      did with Sandy Baldwin on pain and death for Eyebeam, which is
      still up, I think, at the blog
      http://eyebeam.org/blogs/alansondheim/ - Eyebeam's moved and the
      site is a mess, but there's still information. This was a few
      years ago.

      My work now isn't about the image or representation, but is
      trying to go somewhere else; otherwise I repeat myself, or
      repeat politics, repeat repeat repeat myself, as if this is a
      form of healing or cauterization. So I'm working for better or
      worse, quite possibly the later which seems my forte, with
      poesis/poetics and that's what's going on in the current pieces.
      I've written something short on this which I'll put up.

      Beyond this, my work was around 2011, yours 2005 I think? And
      now we are in a different space, wars and violence against
      civilizians EVERYWHERE, and what is our response?

      And those not participating in the discussion, why not? I keep
      reading my email, Fb, etc. and there's a huge divide - Wired-mag
      style technology news saving the world - and the very real
      savagry destroying large portions of it.

      Thank you for the discussion and references,

      Alan


      On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Ana Vald?s wrote:

            For many years ago I participated in a show with
            many writers, acitvists and
            artists, the topic was Images of War in Contemporary
            world,
http://jordancrandall.com/main/+UNDERFIRE/underfire.html
            Two small books collected our discussions, Under
            Fire one and two,
http://www.amazon.com/Jordan-Crandall-Under-Fire-Part/dp/907336261X


            It was the French curator Catherine David, the first
            appointed female
            curator at Documenta., who was the chef for Witte de
            Witt Art Centre in
            Rotterdam, Holland, who was behind the show and many
            others dealing with the
            images of the Arabs in the Contemporary World.
            She was one of the first Western curators in the
            world of visual arts trying
            to understand how the image of the Arabs was
            coloured with many prejudges
            and ignorance.

            Her work with these issues can still be viewed here,
http://www.fundaciotapies.org/site/spip.php?article4543

            The last station of her ongoing touring exhibitions
            was about Iraq and she
            invited to Berlin, to Barcelona and to Sweden some
            of the most interesting
            artists and writers from the Iraqui diaspora,
http://www.fundaciotapies.org/site/spip.php?article4543

            I curated the Swedish part, connecting it with my
            own project, Crusading,
            http://ceciliaparsberg.se/crusading/about.htm

            Ana




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