> On 15-Oct-99, Andrew Tait wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> If the features are there, they should be detailed in the docs.
> >
> > In order to use NC, even as an advanced user, you'd probably never need to
> > touch the database. It's a low-level function of NC's operation, and as
> > such is not something that requires manual editing.
>
> I know the functions for securing against interference from down the line
> are thre and I am slowly piecing together bits and pieces from a variety of
> sources.
>
Ok, yes there are, they are not really functions so much as disabling
certain services, most of which is done by default in Genesis anyway.
> > Not valid. You can't compare NC to Fidonet. Different userbase, different
> > size of dev team. Documentation takes TIME. Huge amounts of it, and in
> > order to provide /coherent/ documentation for something as varied as a
> > Services database would take man weeks of time.
>
> Quite fair comment. I accept that, and admit that the comparison was not
> fair. But I do know the stuff I want has been published, and if it's not in
> the NetConnect docs, then where is it? If I ask in the outside world, I will
> get asked, "Do you have Windoze95 or 98?"
>
> >
> >>> As for
> >>> the netinfo, well if you aren't an advanced user you don't really need
> > it.
>
> Having already had an intruder groping around in my computer, I DO need it.
How do you know this, if I may ask??
Although the most netinfo will be able to tell you is the IP address
of the user who was doing the groping (although if they were doing
this the IP adress is likely to be faked anyway), if you have a url,
so its still not likely to be much help.
>
> >>
> >> Thanks for the dismissal. I guess you could give that answer to
anyone
> >> who
> >> asks anything about anything. "If you need to ask, then the fact
that
> >> you
> > don't know
> >> indicates that you don't need to know" Do you work for
Microsoft?
> >
>
> > It's extremely bad manners to attack a fellow user for trying to
help.
>
> I felt he was simply dismissing me. My main request was to be
pointed at
> some literature. Nobody who seeks information should ever be told
they don't
> need to know that. I can illustrate that by the example of a friend
who
> bought an '040 accelerator back in the days when they were
considered
> `blazing fast' When she asked about caches and burst, she was told
(by the
> dealer) that she didn't need to know that because it was only for
advanced users. Consequently, she
> used the thing for several years without caches or bursts. She
> was speechless with amazement and anger at the person who told her
she
> didn't need to know when I showed her that ONE line in her startup
sequence
> gave her a speed increase that she could hardly believe.
>
> > If
> > the advice was "you don't need to know", you should accept it from
a peer,
> > unless you have _good reason_ to delve into database.
>
> I DO need to know because I WANT to know. That alone is plenty
adequate
> reason. Now, I do accept that there may be good reason for
NetConnect's docs
> being not fully developed, but surely someone can tell me a good
source of
> information. If information is not forthcoming in this mailing list,
then
> what the hell is the purpose of it? Hell man, even in USENET they
don't tell
> people, "You don't need to know".
>
I didn't say you don't need to know, quite obviously you feel you have
a need to know, I was answering your original question of why it
wasn't in the NC docs, what I actually said was you don't need it
(refering to netinfo itself, not more information on netinfo) unless
you were an advanced user.
As for where to get the info, I can't give specifics I'm afraid, but
try searching yahoo for details, go to berkeley (probably not the
right spelling I'm afraid) web site and searching there, because I
believe Amitcp was originally based on their stack. But basically the
database is the same as any unix database, they are stored as files
and have no GUI for them though. So searching for unix tcp man pages
on various search sites should come up with plenty of info. If you do
ask about and they ask what winbloze machine you have, either ignore
the question or lie or tell the truth because it doesn't really
matter, because those files (wether via a GUI or a script file) are
pretty much universal for any TCP stack. (At least so far as I've seen
on 3 flavours of unix, 4 Microcrap OS's and 1 Amiga stack)
Mark
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