Benoit Claise <[email protected]> writes:

> Hi Martin,
>> Benoit Claise <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Hi Martin,
>>>
>>> Removed some extra ones on which we agree.
>>> See in line.
>>>>>>> - Terminology:
>>>>>>>     The following terms are defined in [RFC6241
>>>>>>>     <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6241>]:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       o  configuration datastore: a configuration datastore is an
>>>>>>>          instantiated data tree with configuration data
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       o  datastore: an instantiated data tree
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RFC6241 has different definition for "configuration datastore" and
>>>>>>> "datastore".
>>>>>>> I would just provide the pointer to the RFC 6241 definitions.
>>>>>>> If you intend to provide an adapted definition for the YANG mappings,
>>>>>>> then you should say so.
>>>>>> How about:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OLD:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       o  configuration datastore: a configuration datastore is an
>>>>>>          instantiated data tree with configuration data
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       o  datastore: an instantiated data tree
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NEW:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       o  configuration datastore: When modelled with YANG, a 
>>>>>> configuration
>>>>>>          datastore is an instantiated data tree with configuration data
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       o  datastore: When modelled with YANG, an instantiated data tree
>>>>>>
>>>>> This issue is with "The following terms are defined in [RFC6241]", but
>>>>> you re-define those terms.
>> I don't think it is correct to say that we "re-define" these terms.
>> It sounds like we give the terms a different meaning.
> Playing with words? :-)
>>   I agree that
>> the OLD text gave that impression, but I think the NEW proposed text
>> fixes this.
> This does not work.
>
> Reading the terminology ...
>
>         The following terms are defined in [RFC6241
>         <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6241>]:
>
>       o  configuration datastore: ...
>
>       o  datastore: ...
>
> ... I will not even bother reading the definitions, because I know them 
> from 6241.
> Doing this, I will not spot the subtle "different meaning" you inserted 
> in the definitions.

I think it would be useful to state what "configuration data" mean in
YANG context: it is a subtree of the main data tree containing only
instances of "config true" data nodes. I don't think the definition
inherited from 6241 is useful, in fact I am not even sure it is correct.

The problem I have with the refined definitions of "datastore" and
"configuration datastore" is the cabbalistic word "instantiated". I
think it should be explained or removed. As a matter of fact, the
meaning of "instantiate" in the definition of "uses" is clearly
different.

Lada

>
> Regards, Benoit
>>
>> The terms are defined in 6241, and they keep their meaning.  We
>> clarify the meaning of two of the terms in a YANG context.
>>
>>>>> So give a warning about the redefinition to the readers.
>>>> Yes, that's what my proposed text does.  It says that "datastore" is
>>>> defined in 6241, and when YANG is used, it means the instantiated data
>>>> tree.
>>> OLD:
>>>
>>>    The following terms are defined in [RFC6241
>>>    <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6241>]:
>>>
>>> NEW:
>>>
>>>    The following terms are defined in [RFC6241
>>>    <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6241>], but re-defined in this
>>>    document in YANG context:
>>
>> /martin
>> .
>>
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