Haven't we crossed this bridge already? We have a book page. No matter how
(very very very) little the hourly rate may be for authors, it's still a
commercial product.

Having said that, if someone were to write a significant NHibernate eBook
and distribute it for free, I'd still expect to find it on the book page.

By this same logic, I think the "significant" open source tools like FNH
should be included in any list of add-on tools. In my mind, the distinction
between open source / non-profit and for-profit is arbitrary.

My two cents
- Jason

On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hopefully we can have all opinions of all vendors here...
>
> Perhaps we (NH team) are worried about something that for you (vendors) is
> not a problem.
>
> In practice we can give you a space in NH-Forge, you can blog a review of
> your product and so on but what you can't do is start a commercial war and
> involve us.
>
> If you can come in a sort of agreement, we are open to hear proposal about
> how give more visibility to commercial products inside www.nhforge.org
>
> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 9:33 AM, sbohlen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> NOTE: This is a continuation of a discussion branch that began in this
>> thread of the NHUSERS group:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/nhusers/browse_thread/thread/166cd3b0e77c9e35/056321a3ec570d3b
>>
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Frans:
>>
>> Uh....I'm honestly a bit confused by your response as I think we're
>> going to have to declare that we seem to be "in violent agreement" on
>> (nearly) all of these points.
>>
>> From reading your comments, my concerns appear to be yours as well: I
>> too am interested in an area of NHForge that can assist adopters of NH
>> in finding commercial tools to improve their "NH experience" but in
>> such a way that the NHForge site itself (and by extension the NH team)
>> isn't directly involved in endorsing, ranking, commenting, or
>> otherwise doing anything that would make it appear as if one vendor or
>> tool was better/worse than any other vendor/tool (e.g., NH is able to
>> maintain its neutrality).
>>
>> My list of 'principles' that I tried to enumerate in my post seemed
>> (to me, at least) a reasonable set of guidelines to enable us to
>> achieve exactly those goals (providing visibility for such offerings
>> while maintaining neutrality).  I think remaining neutral is 'good
>> practice' in re: NH's relation with commercial tools/projects, but
>> frankly I think its equally good practice in re: NH's relation with
>> open-source and/or free tools/projects as well (e.g., I think it
>> equally inappropriate for NH to be 'recommending' one OSS tool over
>> another -- just as with commercial offerings).
>>
>> My suggestion was to find a way to list such products/vendors without
>> appearing to 'endorse' or 'rank' them in any manner.
>>
>> I don't think I said (and I certainly didn't mean to inadvertently
>> imply) that there is no place in the NH ecosystem for commercial
>> offerings -- quite the reverse, in fact.  I was merely trying to
>> suggest that whatever manner is decided upon to attempt to increase
>> 'visibility' of such things on the NHForge site be accomplished in
>> such a way that NH's neutrality towards any of these offerings remain
>> intact.
>>
>> I certainly recognize that one level of such imperfect neutrality will
>> be instantly sacrificed merely by listing a product/vendor on the
>> NHForge site, but that's why I indicated that it needed to be very
>> clear to any vendor HOW to get their product listed should they want
>> to do so (e.g.,  so that it wasn't made to appear that the listed
>> vendors/products were in any way part of an "elite club" that over
>> vendors were unable to 'join').
>>
>> I hope this serves to clarify the intent of my comments (even if it
>> appears I wasn't entirely clear in my prior content).
>>
>> -Steve B.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Fabio Maulo
>
>

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