I am going to send Fabio drafts of a Commercial Product and Open Source Projects now. I was going to send them earlier, but my wife demanded some of my time before they were ready....
John Davidson On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote: > and so open that you can see this page there > http://nhforge.org/wikis/howtonh/when-will-you-finish-this.aspx > > > On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes but mostly for Visual-Designer. >> >> If you want create a page with all OSS tools for NH there is no problem. >> The WIKI is open. >> >> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Jason Dentler <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> We don't have one. Isn't this thread about adding a list >>> of NHibernate-related (commercial) tools to NHForge? >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Which is the page of the tools ? >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Jason Dentler >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Haven't we crossed this bridge already? We have a book page. No matter >>>>> how (very very very) little the hourly rate may be for authors, it's >>>>> still a >>>>> commercial product. >>>>> >>>>> Having said that, if someone were to write a significant NHibernate >>>>> eBook and distribute it for free, I'd still expect to find it on the book >>>>> page. >>>>> >>>>> By this same logic, I think the "significant" open source tools like >>>>> FNH should be included in any list of add-on tools. In my mind, the >>>>> distinction between open source / non-profit and for-profit is arbitrary. >>>>> >>>>> My two cents >>>>> - Jason >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hopefully we can have all opinions of all vendors here... >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps we (NH team) are worried about something that for you >>>>>> (vendors) is not a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> In practice we can give you a space in NH-Forge, you can blog a review >>>>>> of your product and so on but what you can't do is start a commercial war >>>>>> and involve us. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can come in a sort of agreement, we are open to hear proposal >>>>>> about how give more visibility to commercial products inside >>>>>> www.nhforge.org >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 9:33 AM, sbohlen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> NOTE: This is a continuation of a discussion branch that began in >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> thread of the NHUSERS group: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nhusers/browse_thread/thread/166cd3b0e77c9e35/056321a3ec570d3b >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frans: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Uh....I'm honestly a bit confused by your response as I think we're >>>>>>> going to have to declare that we seem to be "in violent agreement" on >>>>>>> (nearly) all of these points. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From reading your comments, my concerns appear to be yours as well: I >>>>>>> too am interested in an area of NHForge that can assist adopters of >>>>>>> NH >>>>>>> in finding commercial tools to improve their "NH experience" but in >>>>>>> such a way that the NHForge site itself (and by extension the NH >>>>>>> team) >>>>>>> isn't directly involved in endorsing, ranking, commenting, or >>>>>>> otherwise doing anything that would make it appear as if one vendor >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> tool was better/worse than any other vendor/tool (e.g., NH is able to >>>>>>> maintain its neutrality). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My list of 'principles' that I tried to enumerate in my post seemed >>>>>>> (to me, at least) a reasonable set of guidelines to enable us to >>>>>>> achieve exactly those goals (providing visibility for such offerings >>>>>>> while maintaining neutrality). I think remaining neutral is 'good >>>>>>> practice' in re: NH's relation with commercial tools/projects, but >>>>>>> frankly I think its equally good practice in re: NH's relation with >>>>>>> open-source and/or free tools/projects as well (e.g., I think it >>>>>>> equally inappropriate for NH to be 'recommending' one OSS tool over >>>>>>> another -- just as with commercial offerings). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My suggestion was to find a way to list such products/vendors without >>>>>>> appearing to 'endorse' or 'rank' them in any manner. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think I said (and I certainly didn't mean to inadvertently >>>>>>> imply) that there is no place in the NH ecosystem for commercial >>>>>>> offerings -- quite the reverse, in fact. I was merely trying to >>>>>>> suggest that whatever manner is decided upon to attempt to increase >>>>>>> 'visibility' of such things on the NHForge site be accomplished in >>>>>>> such a way that NH's neutrality towards any of these offerings remain >>>>>>> intact. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I certainly recognize that one level of such imperfect neutrality >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> be instantly sacrificed merely by listing a product/vendor on the >>>>>>> NHForge site, but that's why I indicated that it needed to be very >>>>>>> clear to any vendor HOW to get their product listed should they want >>>>>>> to do so (e.g., so that it wasn't made to appear that the listed >>>>>>> vendors/products were in any way part of an "elite club" that over >>>>>>> vendors were unable to 'join'). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope this serves to clarify the intent of my comments (even if it >>>>>>> appears I wasn't entirely clear in my prior content). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Steve B. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Fabio Maulo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fabio Maulo >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fabio Maulo >> >> > > > -- > Fabio Maulo > >
