and so open that you can see this page there http://nhforge.org/wikis/howtonh/when-will-you-finish-this.aspx
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes but mostly for Visual-Designer. > > If you want create a page with all OSS tools for NH there is no problem. > The WIKI is open. > > On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Jason Dentler <[email protected]>wrote: > >> We don't have one. Isn't this thread about adding a list >> of NHibernate-related (commercial) tools to NHForge? >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Which is the page of the tools ? >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Jason Dentler >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Haven't we crossed this bridge already? We have a book page. No matter >>>> how (very very very) little the hourly rate may be for authors, it's still >>>> a >>>> commercial product. >>>> >>>> Having said that, if someone were to write a significant NHibernate >>>> eBook and distribute it for free, I'd still expect to find it on the book >>>> page. >>>> >>>> By this same logic, I think the "significant" open source tools like FNH >>>> should be included in any list of add-on tools. In my mind, the distinction >>>> between open source / non-profit and for-profit is arbitrary. >>>> >>>> My two cents >>>> - Jason >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hopefully we can have all opinions of all vendors here... >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps we (NH team) are worried about something that for you (vendors) >>>>> is not a problem. >>>>> >>>>> In practice we can give you a space in NH-Forge, you can blog a review >>>>> of your product and so on but what you can't do is start a commercial war >>>>> and involve us. >>>>> >>>>> If you can come in a sort of agreement, we are open to hear proposal >>>>> about how give more visibility to commercial products inside >>>>> www.nhforge.org >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 9:33 AM, sbohlen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> NOTE: This is a continuation of a discussion branch that began in this >>>>>> thread of the NHUSERS group: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nhusers/browse_thread/thread/166cd3b0e77c9e35/056321a3ec570d3b >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> Frans: >>>>>> >>>>>> Uh....I'm honestly a bit confused by your response as I think we're >>>>>> going to have to declare that we seem to be "in violent agreement" on >>>>>> (nearly) all of these points. >>>>>> >>>>>> From reading your comments, my concerns appear to be yours as well: I >>>>>> too am interested in an area of NHForge that can assist adopters of NH >>>>>> in finding commercial tools to improve their "NH experience" but in >>>>>> such a way that the NHForge site itself (and by extension the NH team) >>>>>> isn't directly involved in endorsing, ranking, commenting, or >>>>>> otherwise doing anything that would make it appear as if one vendor or >>>>>> tool was better/worse than any other vendor/tool (e.g., NH is able to >>>>>> maintain its neutrality). >>>>>> >>>>>> My list of 'principles' that I tried to enumerate in my post seemed >>>>>> (to me, at least) a reasonable set of guidelines to enable us to >>>>>> achieve exactly those goals (providing visibility for such offerings >>>>>> while maintaining neutrality). I think remaining neutral is 'good >>>>>> practice' in re: NH's relation with commercial tools/projects, but >>>>>> frankly I think its equally good practice in re: NH's relation with >>>>>> open-source and/or free tools/projects as well (e.g., I think it >>>>>> equally inappropriate for NH to be 'recommending' one OSS tool over >>>>>> another -- just as with commercial offerings). >>>>>> >>>>>> My suggestion was to find a way to list such products/vendors without >>>>>> appearing to 'endorse' or 'rank' them in any manner. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think I said (and I certainly didn't mean to inadvertently >>>>>> imply) that there is no place in the NH ecosystem for commercial >>>>>> offerings -- quite the reverse, in fact. I was merely trying to >>>>>> suggest that whatever manner is decided upon to attempt to increase >>>>>> 'visibility' of such things on the NHForge site be accomplished in >>>>>> such a way that NH's neutrality towards any of these offerings remain >>>>>> intact. >>>>>> >>>>>> I certainly recognize that one level of such imperfect neutrality will >>>>>> be instantly sacrificed merely by listing a product/vendor on the >>>>>> NHForge site, but that's why I indicated that it needed to be very >>>>>> clear to any vendor HOW to get their product listed should they want >>>>>> to do so (e.g., so that it wasn't made to appear that the listed >>>>>> vendors/products were in any way part of an "elite club" that over >>>>>> vendors were unable to 'join'). >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this serves to clarify the intent of my comments (even if it >>>>>> appears I wasn't entirely clear in my prior content). >>>>>> >>>>>> -Steve B. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Fabio Maulo >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fabio Maulo >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Fabio Maulo > > -- Fabio Maulo
