John, Perhaps the list of OSS tools should be categorized... There are Applications built on to of NH, addins, extensions, IoC, ... btw you have chose an hard work... there are a loooooooooot tools around NH
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 5:48 PM, John Davidson <[email protected]> wrote: > I am going to send Fabio drafts of a Commercial Product and Open Source > Projects now. I was going to send them earlier, but my wife demanded some of > my time before they were ready.... > > John Davidson > > > On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> and so open that you can see this page there >> http://nhforge.org/wikis/howtonh/when-will-you-finish-this.aspx >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Yes but mostly for Visual-Designer. >>> >>> If you want create a page with all OSS tools for NH there is no problem. >>> The WIKI is open. >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Jason Dentler >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> We don't have one. Isn't this thread about adding a list >>>> of NHibernate-related (commercial) tools to NHForge? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Which is the page of the tools ? >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Jason Dentler <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Haven't we crossed this bridge already? We have a book page. No matter >>>>>> how (very very very) little the hourly rate may be for authors, it's >>>>>> still a >>>>>> commercial product. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having said that, if someone were to write a significant NHibernate >>>>>> eBook and distribute it for free, I'd still expect to find it on the book >>>>>> page. >>>>>> >>>>>> By this same logic, I think the "significant" open source tools like >>>>>> FNH should be included in any list of add-on tools. In my mind, the >>>>>> distinction between open source / non-profit and for-profit is arbitrary. >>>>>> >>>>>> My two cents >>>>>> - Jason >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hopefully we can have all opinions of all vendors here... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps we (NH team) are worried about something that for you >>>>>>> (vendors) is not a problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In practice we can give you a space in NH-Forge, you can blog a >>>>>>> review of your product and so on but what you can't do is start a >>>>>>> commercial >>>>>>> war and involve us. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you can come in a sort of agreement, we are open to hear proposal >>>>>>> about how give more visibility to commercial products inside >>>>>>> www.nhforge.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 9:33 AM, sbohlen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> NOTE: This is a continuation of a discussion branch that began in >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> thread of the NHUSERS group: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nhusers/browse_thread/thread/166cd3b0e77c9e35/056321a3ec570d3b >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frans: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Uh....I'm honestly a bit confused by your response as I think we're >>>>>>>> going to have to declare that we seem to be "in violent agreement" >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> (nearly) all of these points. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From reading your comments, my concerns appear to be yours as well: >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> too am interested in an area of NHForge that can assist adopters of >>>>>>>> NH >>>>>>>> in finding commercial tools to improve their "NH experience" but in >>>>>>>> such a way that the NHForge site itself (and by extension the NH >>>>>>>> team) >>>>>>>> isn't directly involved in endorsing, ranking, commenting, or >>>>>>>> otherwise doing anything that would make it appear as if one vendor >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> tool was better/worse than any other vendor/tool (e.g., NH is able >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> maintain its neutrality). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My list of 'principles' that I tried to enumerate in my post seemed >>>>>>>> (to me, at least) a reasonable set of guidelines to enable us to >>>>>>>> achieve exactly those goals (providing visibility for such offerings >>>>>>>> while maintaining neutrality). I think remaining neutral is 'good >>>>>>>> practice' in re: NH's relation with commercial tools/projects, but >>>>>>>> frankly I think its equally good practice in re: NH's relation with >>>>>>>> open-source and/or free tools/projects as well (e.g., I think it >>>>>>>> equally inappropriate for NH to be 'recommending' one OSS tool over >>>>>>>> another -- just as with commercial offerings). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My suggestion was to find a way to list such products/vendors >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> appearing to 'endorse' or 'rank' them in any manner. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think I said (and I certainly didn't mean to inadvertently >>>>>>>> imply) that there is no place in the NH ecosystem for commercial >>>>>>>> offerings -- quite the reverse, in fact. I was merely trying to >>>>>>>> suggest that whatever manner is decided upon to attempt to increase >>>>>>>> 'visibility' of such things on the NHForge site be accomplished in >>>>>>>> such a way that NH's neutrality towards any of these offerings >>>>>>>> remain >>>>>>>> intact. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I certainly recognize that one level of such imperfect neutrality >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be instantly sacrificed merely by listing a product/vendor on the >>>>>>>> NHForge site, but that's why I indicated that it needed to be very >>>>>>>> clear to any vendor HOW to get their product listed should they want >>>>>>>> to do so (e.g., so that it wasn't made to appear that the listed >>>>>>>> vendors/products were in any way part of an "elite club" that over >>>>>>>> vendors were unable to 'join'). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope this serves to clarify the intent of my comments (even if it >>>>>>>> appears I wasn't entirely clear in my prior content). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Steve B. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Fabio Maulo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Fabio Maulo >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fabio Maulo >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fabio Maulo >> >> > -- Fabio Maulo
