Good point. I don't have my manual with me. Are these repairable or just replaceable?
-Kyle On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > Yup. Not a good thing. Find out why. > Let's talk dynamics. Whenever the rear end is unloaded, like HARD braking, > or a whoopy that gets you off the ground for a second, the rear end drops > suddenly. First off, Honda rear shocks have very poor damping and thus, the > spring will propel the shocks to full extension quickly. With one stop gone, > what happens when the other can't hold it together anymore ? At the very > least, at the full extension of the one, the trailing arm is allowed to > twist because it isn't being controlled on the other side. It's rigid, but > not indestructible. Now, on the other hand.. is the rider ? > > --- On *Fri, 9/18/09, Kyle Munz <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Kyle Munz <[email protected]> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Removing Tires > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 12:25 AM > > > Hmmm, that makes sense. I was wondering why both shocks weren't the same. I > didn't know if the swing arm had an internal stop in the hinge or not. > Atleast that was my theory at the time. So if I understand, the swing arm > was relying on the internal stop of only the left shock this whole time? > > -Kyle > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Dennis Hammerl > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> Try to follow this, when the bike is on the center stand with the wheel >> hanging, it's suspended from the extended shocks. Remove them and the wheel >> sits on the ground. OK so far ? Both shock assemblies should extend the same >> amount. You're saying that the whole rear end was limited by only one, the >> other could be two inches longer ? Sorry, that doesn't work for me. >> Something is wrong. The swing arm is very rigid and held in place in the >> frame, square. Removing one shock assembly might allow movement of maybe >> 1/4" tops. You don't want to hear this, but I'd take both off and examine >> them. Sometimes we have to remove one and putting it back on might require >> putting a pry bar under the wheel and lifting a little to align the mounts. >> No heroics. I think that you have a broken internal stop. The shock portion >> only extends so far and the spring is retained by the shock. Only pre-load >> adjustments being different might make it more of a chore, and only a >> little. >> >> --- On *Fri, 9/18/09, Kyle Munz >> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Kyle Munz <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >> > >> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Removing Tires >> To: >> [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >> Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 12:03 AM >> >> >> No, when I removed the bottom bolt on my 650 it extended almost 2" and >> wouldn't go back in. The bike was on the center stand at the time and as far >> as I could tell the arm was all the way down from the other spring. I never >> disassembled the shock apart from removing it and the arm didn't appear >> bent, atleast not 2" worth of bent. It'd be nice to drop it out the bottom >> though, my centerstand doesn't give that much clearance ;) >> >> -Kyle >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Dennis Hammerl >> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >>> Kyle, I can understand removing the shock assembly from one side if >>> you're at home. We don't because we work off a lift and drop the wheel out >>> the bottom. But what are you doing that required so much force to re-install >>> it ? I've had tons of those off and never had to. At rest, both should be >>> the same length and slip right back on. Unless, the trailing arm is twisted >>> / bent. It's very rigid and with one still on, the other should fit right >>> back on. Are you disassembling the shock ? No need to. Just two fasteners. >>> OR, did it come apart when you removed it ? (hint; they shouldn't) Changing >>> springs is a royal pita. >>> >>> --- On *Thu, 9/17/09, Kyle Munz >>> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >>> >* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Kyle Munz <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Removing Tires >>> To: >>> [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >>> Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 8:12 PM >>> >>> >>> Yeah, that spring, that's something else...Trying to find a coil >>> compressor small enough for the motorcycle shock was my problem. In the end >>> we ended up using two ratcheting tiedown straps, a rusty bolt, and some >>> exhaust support rod that I think came off of a volvo (pics of this >>> contraption at http://munz.kicks-ass.net/nighthawk/?p=79). I then used >>> some mondo zip-ties to keep it compressed while I reinstalled it. The second >>> time around I just used the zip ties before removal and it went much easier. >>> >>> You do need to remove the nut to get the drive shaft out, there's also a >>> support for the brake on the right side just under the swing arm, you need >>> to drop that as well as the brake linkage. Also, you don't need to remove >>> the whole shock, just the bottom bolt and it will swing out of the way. >>> There may be more I'm missing since I'm not home to look at it. I just >>> followed the steps in the manual for rear tire removal. >>> >>> -Kyle >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Torry Barker >>> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I've got an 84 650SC, would I need a spring compressor to put the shock >>>> back on? Also did you just remove the center nut to get the drive shaft >>>> assembly out of the wheel? >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Kyle Munz >>>> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >>>> > >>>> *To:* >>>> [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:24:21 PM >>>> *Subject:* [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Removing Tires >>>> >>>> What kind of bike do you have? On my 650 I had to remove the right >>>> shock, did not have to drain the gear oil. Good idea to change it anyhow >>>> while you're back there and check the brake shoes. >>>> >>>> -Kyle >>>> -Sent from Ingleside, TX, United States >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Weston >>>> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> When I remove my rear tire am I going to need to disconnect the rear >>>>> left shock and drain the gear oil? Or can someone give me a step by >>>>> step of it? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
