Kyle, you can't tell when a cvt scooter shifts because it doesn't. No discrete gears. :p
Kurt On Aug 22, 2012 12:24 PM, "Kyle Munz" <[email protected]> wrote: > Joey's right, my commute is absolutely hellish. 26 miles of bumper to > bumper interstate travel that can take me anywhere from 45mins on a good > day, to 1.5hours on bad days. I still prefer a standard, for me it's the > extra level of control you get from a clutch. I couldn't imagine an > automatic bike, I've ridden automatic scooters, but those things are > usually underpowered, top out at 35mph, and the feeling is so slushy that > you don't even notice it shifting. On a bike I want to be in the gear *I*want > to be in. Even with my abysmal commute I still drive a standard > because I want to be in control. Everytime I rent a car it's an automatic, > and they drive me insane. Barely press the gas while cruising and it > downshifts and guns the RPMs and makes an ass of itself. So then I put it > in the "manual mode" to keep it from hunting through the gears. You forget > it's there, come to a stop, it downshifts to 1st without telling you, but > then holds the gear until you frantically slap it up a gear or back into > auto. What a PiTA. I'll stick with my manual and clutch, on both 4 and 2 > wheels thank you very much. > > I agree with Javier and Kurt that CVTs make more sense in some > applications, like a bus or even a scooter, and I can appreciate the > engineering that goes into one, but just don't have room for one in my > world. > > -Kyle > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Javier Garcia <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I agree with you Joey. Back in Venezuela I had a 78 bug and my commute >> included a 11 km uphill on the mountains that sometimes could be >> bumper-to-bumper. I was miserable with the damn clutch on that car. Yet I >> always said I would never drive automatic. Now that I my passion is on >> motorcycles, car is just a mere transportation mechanism so I don't really >> care much about the transmission. However, my mind can not comprehend how >> somebody can buy a muscle sports car with automatic transmission. That >> really makes no sense. >> >> Javier. >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Joey Kelley <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think with the drive towards performance, efficiency, we >>> occasionally lose the feeling of the driver actually doing something - >>> using something besides brakes to slow for instance - that are so much >>> a part of a traditional driving experience. >>> The first thing I thought when I got in my GF's car - wow >>> - I miss having a stick shift. >>> When I got into heavy traffic - my next thought was, >>> where is my automatic - I'm going to fry this clutch. >>> I think that I as well as many people here prefer the >>> experience of shifting, paying attention to the vehicle - but for >>> certain circumstances, like Kyle's Houston morning commute, a manual >>> will wear out your left foot or left hand quite quickly. >>> Just a couple thoughts. >>> -Joey >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > The other reason for automatics (dct/cvt and the like) is actually >>> > performance. You cannot buy a manual transmission supercar anymore. >>> Rarely >>> > are racing cars manual. DCT automatics shift faster, and CVTs allow >>> you to >>> > literally STAY at torque or power peak while you accelerate. >>> > >>> > Doesn't mean I want either one. I'd love a strong CVT tow rig or >>> hypermiling >>> > car, but I want a bike I can still shift. >>> > >>> > Kurt >>> > >>> > >>> > On Aug 22, 2012 10:49 AM, "Javier Garcia" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I have never driven a CVT car, but from what i read it makes more >>> sense >>> >> than the traditional automatic transmission. I wouldn't like to have >>> neither >>> >> on a bike. >>> >> >>> >> Javier. >>> >> >>> >> On Aug 22, 2012 8:14 AM, "Allen Thomas" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I dislike the CVT in my wife's car, there is no way I'd want one on a >>> >>> bike. CVT==Boring >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: Javier Garcia <[email protected]> >>> >>> Sender: [email protected] >>> >>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:00:03 -0400 >>> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> >>> ReplyTo: [email protected] >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Did someone say Diesel Adventure >>> bikes >>> >>> >>> >>> I like the design of the one on the MCN report. Really good looking. >>> It >>> >>> seems it was a mistake to go for the CVT. I still can't understand >>> why still >>> >>> there are people trying to go to automatic transmission on bikes. >>> Honda is >>> >>> pushing this dual clutch thing on few models, and I think Yamaha is >>> doing >>> >>> the same. >>> >>> >>> >>> Javier. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Allen Thomas <[email protected] >>> > >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Unfortunately no ride report for the HDT bike but 89 MPG and can do >>> 90 >>> >>>> MPH isn't bad despite only 33 HP and 38 FT/LBS. >>> >>>> The MCN report was not favorable at all for the european bike. >>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >>>> ________________________________ >>> >>>> From: Hawaii Sean <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Sender: [email protected] >>> >>>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:49:38 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>> >>>> ReplyTo: [email protected] >>> >>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Did someone say Diesel Adventure bikes >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Check out the links: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://www.adventuremotorcycle.com/issues/Sample/files/assets/downloads/page0006.pdf >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/First-rides-tests/2009/June/jun0409-diesel-motorcycle-review/ >>> >>>> >>> >>>> http://dieselmotorcycles.com/company.html >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/nighthawk_lovers/-/QKnGBzmESwkJ. >>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>>> [email protected]. >>> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>>> [email protected]. >>> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >>> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>> [email protected]. >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >>> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>> [email protected]. >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> >> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> [email protected]. >>> >> For more options, visit this group at >>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> . >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > [email protected]. >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -Joey Kelley >>> JoeyKelley.com - My Life Online >>> JoeyFixesComputers.com - Its What I Do! 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