Must be some pretty old scooters then. Vast majority in the past decade + use an engine mated to a variable diameter pair of pulleys with a belt between them.
Also, having driven a BIG standard truck in traffic... I welcome strong, efficient automatics to take their place. Kurt On Aug 22, 2012 12:36 PM, "Kyle Munz" <[email protected]> wrote: > Kurt, > The automatic scooters I've ridden were still geared, just so slushy you > could barely feel what they were doing. I haven't driven a CVT vehicle yet, > though I've ridden in one. I've also heard news reports of automakers > considering putting "shift points" in CVTs via software because having them > hold a steady RPM were freaking out their car buyers, thus negating the > whole purpose of a CVT. > > Joey, > I'm actually pretty good at popping the car into neutral when I need so I > don't wear out the throwout bearing and can take my foot off the clutch. > That said, even with my "spirited style" of driving, and all the stop and > go I do, I got more than 200K out of my last clutch. It could have gone > more, but I had to replace a weeping rear main seal and figured I might as > well do the clutch and pressure plate while I have it off the truck. > > -Kyle > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Joey Kelley <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The thing that Kyle left out is that his left leg looks like that of a >> professional Wrestler and that his co-workers often comment about that >> cologne he's wearing - only to find out its eau du clutch :-) >> -Joey >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Joey's right, my commute is absolutely hellish. 26 miles of bumper to >> bumper >> > interstate travel that can take me anywhere from 45mins on a good day, >> to >> > 1.5hours on bad days. I still prefer a standard, for me it's the extra >> level >> > of control you get from a clutch. I couldn't imagine an automatic bike, >> I've >> > ridden automatic scooters, but those things are usually underpowered, >> top >> > out at 35mph, and the feeling is so slushy that you don't even notice it >> > shifting. On a bike I want to be in the gear I want to be in. Even with >> my >> > abysmal commute I still drive a standard because I want to be in >> control. >> > Everytime I rent a car it's an automatic, and they drive me insane. >> Barely >> > press the gas while cruising and it downshifts and guns the RPMs and >> makes >> > an ass of itself. So then I put it in the "manual mode" to keep it from >> > hunting through the gears. You forget it's there, come to a stop, it >> > downshifts to 1st without telling you, but then holds the gear until you >> > frantically slap it up a gear or back into auto. What a PiTA. I'll stick >> > with my manual and clutch, on both 4 and 2 wheels thank you very much. >> > >> > I agree with Javier and Kurt that CVTs make more sense in some >> applications, >> > like a bus or even a scooter, and I can appreciate the engineering that >> goes >> > into one, but just don't have room for one in my world. >> > >> > -Kyle >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Javier Garcia <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I agree with you Joey. Back in Venezuela I had a 78 bug and my commute >> >> included a 11 km uphill on the mountains that sometimes could be >> >> bumper-to-bumper. I was miserable with the damn clutch on that car. >> Yet I >> >> always said I would never drive automatic. Now that I my passion is on >> >> motorcycles, car is just a mere transportation mechanism so I don't >> really >> >> care much about the transmission. However, my mind can not comprehend >> how >> >> somebody can buy a muscle sports car with automatic transmission. That >> >> really makes no sense. >> >> >> >> Javier. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Joey Kelley <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I think with the drive towards performance, efficiency, we >> >>> occasionally lose the feeling of the driver actually doing something - >> >>> using something besides brakes to slow for instance - that are so much >> >>> a part of a traditional driving experience. >> >>> The first thing I thought when I got in my GF's car - wow >> >>> - I miss having a stick shift. >> >>> When I got into heavy traffic - my next thought was, >> >>> where is my automatic - I'm going to fry this clutch. >> >>> I think that I as well as many people here prefer the >> >>> experience of shifting, paying attention to the vehicle - but for >> >>> certain circumstances, like Kyle's Houston morning commute, a manual >> >>> will wear out your left foot or left hand quite quickly. >> >>> Just a couple thoughts. >> >>> -Joey >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Nolte < >> [email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > The other reason for automatics (dct/cvt and the like) is actually >> >>> > performance. You cannot buy a manual transmission supercar anymore. >> >>> > Rarely >> >>> > are racing cars manual. DCT automatics shift faster, and CVTs allow >> you >> >>> > to >> >>> > literally STAY at torque or power peak while you accelerate. >> >>> > >> >>> > Doesn't mean I want either one. I'd love a strong CVT tow rig or >> >>> > hypermiling >> >>> > car, but I want a bike I can still shift. >> >>> > >> >>> > Kurt >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Aug 22, 2012 10:49 AM, "Javier Garcia" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> I have never driven a CVT car, but from what i read it makes more >> >>> >> sense >> >>> >> than the traditional automatic transmission. I wouldn't like to >> have >> >>> >> neither >> >>> >> on a bike. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Javier. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Aug 22, 2012 8:14 AM, "Allen Thomas" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I dislike the CVT in my wife's car, there is no way I'd want one >> on a >> >>> >>> bike. CVT==Boring >> >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >>> >>> ________________________________ >> >>> >>> From: Javier Garcia <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> Sender: [email protected] >> >>> >>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:00:03 -0400 >> >>> >>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> ReplyTo: [email protected] >> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Did someone say Diesel Adventure >> >>> >>> bikes >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I like the design of the one on the MCN report. Really good >> looking. >> >>> >>> It >> >>> >>> seems it was a mistake to go for the CVT. I still can't understand >> >>> >>> why still >> >>> >>> there are people trying to go to automatic transmission on bikes. >> >>> >>> Honda is >> >>> >>> pushing this dual clutch thing on few models, and I think Yamaha >> is >> >>> >>> doing >> >>> >>> the same. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Javier. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Allen Thomas < >> [email protected]> >> >>> >>> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Unfortunately no ride report for the HDT bike but 89 MPG and can >> do >> >>> >>>> 90 >> >>> >>>> MPH isn't bad despite only 33 HP and 38 FT/LBS. >> >>> >>>> The MCN report was not favorable at all for the european bike. >> >>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >>> >>>> ________________________________ >> >>> >>>> From: Hawaii Sean <[email protected]> >> >>> >>>> Sender: [email protected] >> >>> >>>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:49:38 -0700 (PDT) >> >>> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>> >>>> ReplyTo: [email protected] >> >>> >>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Did someone say Diesel Adventure >> bikes >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Check out the links: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> http://www.adventuremotorcycle.com/issues/Sample/files/assets/downloads/page0006.pdf >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/First-rides-tests/2009/June/jun0409-diesel-motorcycle-review/ >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> http://dieselmotorcycles.com/company.html >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -- >> >>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> Google >> >>> >>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> >>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/nighthawk_lovers/-/QKnGBzmESwkJ. >> >>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to >> >>> >>>> [email protected]. >> >>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> >>>> [email protected]. >> >>> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -- >> >>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> Google >> >>> >>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> >>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to >> >>> >>>> [email protected]. >> >>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> >>>> [email protected]. >> >>> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> -- >> >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> >>> Groups >> >>> >>> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to >> >>> >>> [email protected]. >> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> >>> [email protected]. >> >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> -- >> >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> >>> Groups >> >>> >>> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to >> >>> >>> [email protected]. >> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> >>> [email protected]. >> >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> -- >> >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> >> Groups >> >>> >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> >>> >> To post to this group, send email to >> >>> >> [email protected]. >> >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> >> [email protected]. >> >>> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> > Groups >> >>> > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> >>> > To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> > [email protected]. >> >>> > For more options, visit this group at >> >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> -Joey Kelley >> >>> JoeyKelley.com - My Life Online >> >>> JoeyFixesComputers.com - Its What I Do! 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