Just a heads-up: Robert's reply ended up in my (Gmail) Spam
folder. It was the 3rd so far in this and the other thread, as
similar to messages that others have previously so tagged. This
is (probably) one of the issues he mentioned regarding Gmail.
(Sorry, I didn't think to note which earlier ones were also
tagged, or what the Gmail-supplied reason was -- though I think
they were also "other people tagged them as spam." If folks
want, I can keep track -- while also specifying who's being
Spam-tagged, at least for my Gmail account, if folks want that.)
Bob
P.S. I have never trusted Gmail with their Spam-tagging, and
constantly check that folder. Unfortunately, that's the "spam"
that gets through to my account; who knows what I missing?
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 00:57:50 +0700 Robert Elz <[email protected]> sez:
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 11:38:49 +0000
> From: Marcin Cieslak <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
> | Check your MTA logs, I am sure they reject your mail for policy
>
> outlook (etc) don't actually reject the e-mail, they just don't answer
> DNS requests for the address for the MX record. The MX exists, so it
> is known the addr (domain name part) is valid, but after that it is just
> wait forever.
>
> | Running a self hosted email became hard these days,
>
> Yes, the big e-mail sites are attempting to freeze everyone else out,
> by constantly adding more absurd rules to send messages to them.
>
> I agree with Ralph:
>
> [email protected] said:
> | a general warning to not use poor-quality email suppliers like Microsoft.
>
> People who care about receiving e-mail should use an e-mail supplier
> who is dedicated to ensure they receive all possible e-mail, rather
> than one seemingly more concerned with making competition impossible.
>
> I have simply given up on both outlook (etc) and gmail recipients,
> anyone on one of those systems can expect no messages from me.
> Though I do have some (possible) evidence that outlook managed
> (other) domains can turn off some of the restrictions.
>
> kre
