Thus said Robert Elz on Sat, 10 Jan 2026 05:05:39 +0700:

> It depends  what hoops your  MTA admin is  willing to jump  through to
> keep up with their nonsense rules. I'm not willing to adjust my system
> for any of them.

Glad to find a fellow traveller along this challenging path. :-)

My own mail system is quite liberal in what it accepts and quite spartan
in what it implements.

> From gmail a  bounce, though whether the bounce  contains the original
> message  or not,  I have  no  idea, I  filter bounce  messages info  a
> junkmail/bounces folder, and never bother looking there.

I get so few bounce messages that  I actually prefer to read them rather
than  discard them.  If they  aren't legitimate,  they get  evaluated as
potential candidate for blocking.

> ps: we could  discuss this forever, but it all has  nothing to do with
> nmh

Agreed, so I'll  try to refrain from responding further,  but will leave
this interesting opinion piece from NANOG:

https://marc.info/?l=nanog&m=175148556319481&w=2

Andy


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