On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Oliver Oli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i installed nova, but had the impression, that it is not meant to be > used by anyone else than developers. first it's hard to install. i > think there should be binaries for osx (and windows?) and a source > package for linux that compiles out of the box. then i found the GUI > not intuitive at all, but maybe it's just the missing documentation / > tutorials / examples.
You've seen that Nova is Tim's bachelor's project, and is still under development. Further, it's mainly a Linux project. Why would you expect it to be so polished as to have available binaries while it isn't even really in beta state yet? I'm sure Tim would totally appreciate anyone's effort to get OS X and Windows binaries compiled for Nova. I've started on this a bit myself but didn't have time to fully get it working. A big difficulty is that Nova depends on the latest version of *everything* (including depending on a later version of Python than is included in OS X 10.4), so that's a big challenge for easy packaging, but clearly these are problems which will eventually go away on their own as the libraries Nova depends on mature. Tim has already expressed his desire for people to help in writing code, documentation, etc., so that answers your last sentence. > question is, why do you want to use Nova, when there is Pd and > Max/MSP? both are easier to install, have a bigger community, > documentation and many externals. i don't want to say that Nova is > useless, it's just very very hard to compete with Pd and Max, > especially when it's not obvious in which way Nova is better. I'm not sure why it matters. Nova is a separate project, clearly inspired by Pd, where Tim has fully documented his desire to write his own dataflow language. It has some features from Pd and Max, and others (such as a scriptable language, integration of Python) that are unique. Why does he need to prove some reason for starting an interesting project in an area he feels can be improved? And I find it extremely silly to point out that Pd (which has been around since like 1986) has a "larger community", as if that means there's no point starting a new project. If people weren't free to play with fresh ideas and start their own pet projects, where would we be? > i'm using Pd mostly for multichannel mixing of audio sources, but i > hate Pd because of it's instability and weird bugs. max/msp is not an > option, because it's not available for linux and i like open source. > supercollider is cool, but has a steep learning curve and lacks a > cross-platform GUI. at the moment i'm using ChucK, but you can't > compile it for 64bit linux and efficiency is not the biggest strength > of ChucK. so you have just answered your own question. > an easy to install, cross-platform (osx / linux) and stable Nova, > would be very appealing, especially if it had support for Faust, > LADSPA, Audio Units and/or VST (in that order). Exactly. Feel free to work on it. If Pd didn't have people like H-C., and everyone just depended on Miller to do everything, there would be no extended release, and Pd would have a much smaller community. So instead of demanding Tim to take care of very difficult tasks, why not clone the repository and submit some patches? Sorry, I don't want to sound mean, but I find your post extremely presumptuous. I'm probably just misreading your tone. Steve _______________________________________________ nova-dev mailing list [email protected] http://klingt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nova-dev http://tim.klingt.org/nova
