Sorry Larry, I think you are in the minority. It seems to me that those that with MCSE get on first string, while those that think that the trench experience is all they need, sit on the sidelines.
Not to say trench experience is worthless. I hope it counts for something since I have 15+ years of it. My last position was as a Solutions Architect with Compaq...so how's that for trench experience. But I think an MCSE still has value. It shows that you have a BASE knowledge. It's a starting point in a conversation. Cheers, Leonard -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry A. Duncan Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:42 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: MCSE Certification Sorry Leonard, I just don't see it that way. This is thread is beginning to scream "how can I show I have both". That type of "showiness" just doesn't cut it with a lot of the 'old timers'. You prove yourself in the trenches - not in your signature line. Larry A. Duncan Field Systems Engineer, Southeast Region Altiris Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] T: 615.599.5031 T: 800.869.9747 F: 615.599.5259 Have you maximized your investment in SMS, MOM and other Windows Mgmt tools? Get expert answers, hands-on training, and great utilities at the Microsoft Management Summit. Register today at http://www.altiris.com/aem/mmsconf2002/ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Leonard Lee Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 7:21 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: MCSE Certification I understand the guidelines regarding the use of the logo. However, I don't think Microsoft have sufficiently addressed the problem of differentiating the two groups: NT and 2000. Before the MCSE 2000 track, an MCSE at the end of your name meant you had the base knowledge for NT. A person with an MCSE at the end of his/her name did not have to explain anything. Now, you can't tell if the person has NT or 2000 or both (from just looking at the MCSE at the end of their name). If Microsoft had kept their word and de-certified the NT group from using the MCSE logo(at the end of last year if they had not re-certified under the 2000 track) then the MCSE designation would remain clear. Never-the-less, it did not happen, and that made the use of the MCSE logo, by itself, unclear. Don't get me wrong, I am glad Microsoft still recognizes the MCSE certification for the NT track. I think those with MCSE on NT have skills that will be needed for many more years then all of us want to happen. I know of migration projects still involving NT3.51/MS Mail environments. There are a lot more NT 4.0 system deployed then NT 3.51 systems, so one can only imagine how long it will take for the world to be rid of NT 4...if ever. Certification enables us to differentiate our acquired based knowledge by tagging a few captialized words at the end of our name. A person with MCSA at the end of the name means that person is a Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator. I know that person has written at lease four exams on the certification track. I know they have studied how to install/configure/administrate Windows 2000 Professional and Server, as well as they have the base networking course, and they have done at lease one elective of their choice. The same can be said about MCSD, MCAD, and MCDBA. As for the MCSE certification...it's not clear. I think the person who has achieved their MCSE from the NT and 2000 track has the right to SHOW that they have achieved a level of base knowledge that neither an MCSE NT only or an MCSE 2000 only has attained. I also think that the MCSE designation is less meaningful if you allow these three groups to use the same MCSE logo. Regards, Leonard Lee -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry A. Duncan Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 2:44 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: MCSE Certification All the guidelines regarding the use of your logo and certifications can be found here: Microsoft Certified Professional Logo Guidelines http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/mcpexams/policies/logo.asp Larry A. Duncan Field Systems Engineer, Southeast Region Altiris Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] T: 615.599.5031 T: 800.869.9747 F: 615.599.5259 Have you maximized your investment in SMS, MOM and other Windows Mgmt tools? Get expert answers, hands-on training, and great utilities at the Microsoft Management Summit. Register today at http://www.altiris.com/aem/mmsconf2002/ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Winzenz Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:27 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: MCSE Certification If you have both certs, according to Microsoft (IIRC), you are supposed to list them separately on your resume or business card . . . like MCSE NT 4.0 MCSE Windows 2000 James Winzenz, MCSE, A+ Associate Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Menke, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 2:25 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: MCSE Certification I have been interviewing lately and they seem to like the fact I out MCSE 4\2k on resume -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:52 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: MCSE Certification I use: MCSE, nya-nya nya-nya-nya :-p > -----Original Message----- > From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:33 PM > To: NT 2000 Discussions > Subject: MCSE Certification > > > For those that have done the MCSE for NT and 2000, how are > you showing it on > your business cards? > > ie. > MCSE (NT+2000) > MCSE NT+2000 > MCSE (NT/2000) > MCSE NT/2000 > MCSE NT MCSE 2000 > MCSE NT 2000 > MCSE > or any other way? > > Regards, > Leonard Lee > > > > > ------ > You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > ------ You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% ------ You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% ------ You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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