Yes, you are correct...we stray from my orginal posting.

Thank you all for giving your time and effort in giving me your inputs.
There are lots to think about in presenting oneself, and the choices are as
many as opinions.

I never expected the tread to spin off in the different directions that it
did....but I think all the posting were worth my time in reading. (as many
others have also)  The opinions and different views are extraordinary rich
in this group...it challanges me and I thank you all for that.

Cheers,
Leonard Lee

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry A. Duncan
> Sent: March 28, 2002 1:38 PM
> To: NT 2000 Discussions
> Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
>
>
> Let's keep this in perspective, shall we? The original question was in
> regards to "what do I put on my business cards", not "what
> will land me the
> job". I'm mean, come on, how trivial is that?
>
> Yes, I understand the value of certifications, but if you're
> trying to tell
> me that you have to show BOTH certifications on your business cards to
> somehow qualify yourself, you're crazy! I've done my
> qualifications in the
> field. And, yes, I have the certifications to prove it. I
> just don't have to
> make my name look like an alphabet soup to feel good about
> myself. Should my
> tagline now read MCSE/2K, MCSE/NT4, MCSA, MCT & MCP+I or can
> I simply sum
> them all up by saying MCSE? I've chosen the latter. What you
> choose is up to
> you.
>
>
> Larry A. Duncan MCSE/2K, MCSE/NT4, MCSA, MCT & MCP+I, ASE,
> ACE, DCSE, CNA,
> CNE (get the point)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:54 AM
> To: NT 2000 Discussions
> Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
>
> >
> > Sorry Larry, I think you are in the minority.  It seems to me
> > that those
> > that with MCSE get on first string, while those that think
> > that the trench
> > experience is all they need, sit on the sidelines.
> >
> There was a recent article in eWeek (AIR) about this very issue.  The
> premise was that the certification is now vital for getting
> hired.  Had an
> anecdotal story about someone with 15+ years of experience who was
> "downsized" and couldn't get another SysAdmin job because he
> had no cert.
>
> Experience certainly is valuable and I think the W2K certs being geard
> toward having practical experience benefits from that.  But,
> apparently,
> more HR managers are using the cert as a way of weeding out
> candidates,
> especially with an oversupply of computer geeks from the dot-com bust.
> Getting the cert shows not only a level of expertise but a
> commitment to the
> profession.
>
> > Not to say trench experience is worthless.  I hope it counts
> > for something
> > since I have 15+ years of it.  My last position was as a
> > Solutions Architect
> > with Compaq...so how's that for trench experience.   But I
> > think an MCSE
> > still has value.  It shows that you have a BASE knowledge.
> > It's a starting
> > point in a conversation.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Leonard
>
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>
> Todd Pukanecz  MCSE, GCWN
> Virginia Tech, AHNR IT
> Blacksburg, Virginia
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