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-----Original Message-----
From: Emmanuel Adebayo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 8:22 AM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
Have been sending questions to the group since I joined, I have not seen my
questions nor the answer from great people.
why???????
-----Original Message-----
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:13 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
Actually I have an MCSE for NT4 and 2000 and I haven't seen anything
special for it. I only got the certs because my employer asked me to
and paid for it. I know plenty of great engineers without one. To me
it's just a piece of paper that says that you know how to regurgitate
Microsoft's crap on a piece of paper. I know an MCSE who doesn't even
know how to setup a dialup connection on a Windows 98 box. Let alone
know how to solve any real world system issues. He used to be a lawn
specialist who heard how much money I made administering networks.
Spent 9 grand on boot camp and can't do anything, but he makes close to
70k. To me that is bulls*&t. Not everyone out there can afford
training but they are still great workers and great engineers. I do
agree that some companies look at paper as something of value, but I
don't make that much more money now that I have the certs compared to
when I didn't and I have changed jobs 4 times in the last 6 years.
Sorry it's just my opinion.
-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 7:21 AM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
Sorry Larry, I think you are in the minority. It seems to me that those
that with MCSE get on first string, while those that think that the
trench
experience is all they need, sit on the sidelines.
Not to say trench experience is worthless. I hope it counts for
something
since I have 15+ years of it. My last position was as a Solutions
Architect
with Compaq...so how's that for trench experience. But I think an MCSE
still has value. It shows that you have a BASE knowledge. It's a
starting
point in a conversation.
Cheers,
Leonard
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry A. Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:42 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
Sorry Leonard, I just don't see it that way. This is thread is beginning
to
scream "how can I show I have both". That type of "showiness" just
doesn't
cut it with a lot of the 'old timers'. You prove yourself in the
trenches -
not in your signature line.
Larry A. Duncan
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Leonard Lee
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 7:21 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
I understand the guidelines regarding the use of the logo. However, I
don't
think Microsoft have sufficiently addressed the problem of
differentiating
the two groups: NT and 2000. Before the MCSE 2000 track, an MCSE at the
end
of your name meant you had the base knowledge for NT. A person with an
MCSE
at the end of his/her name did not have to explain anything. Now, you
can't
tell if the person has NT or 2000 or both (from just looking at the MCSE
at
the end of their name).
If Microsoft had kept their word and de-certified the NT group from
using
the MCSE logo(at the end of last year if they had not re-certified under
the
2000 track) then the MCSE designation would remain clear.
Never-the-less,
it did not happen, and that made the use of the MCSE logo, by itself,
unclear.
Don't get me wrong, I am glad Microsoft still recognizes the MCSE
certification for the NT track. I think those with MCSE on NT have
skills
that will be needed for many more years then all of us want to happen.
I
know of migration projects still involving NT3.51/MS Mail environments.
There are a lot more NT 4.0 system deployed then NT 3.51 systems, so one
can
only imagine how long it will take for the world to be rid of NT 4...if
ever.
Certification enables us to differentiate our acquired based knowledge
by
tagging a few captialized words at the end of our name. A person with
MCSA
at the end of the name means that person is a Microsoft Certified
Systems
Administrator. I know that person has written at lease four exams on
the
certification track. I know they have studied how to
install/configure/administrate Windows 2000 Professional and Server, as
well
as they have the base networking course, and they have done at lease one
elective of their choice. The same can be said about MCSD, MCAD, and
MCDBA.
As for the MCSE certification...it's not clear.
I think the person who has achieved their MCSE from the NT and 2000
track
has the right to SHOW that they have achieved a level of base knowledge
that
neither an MCSE NT only or an MCSE 2000 only has attained. I also think
that the MCSE designation is less meaningful if you allow these three
groups
to use the same MCSE logo.
Regards,
Leonard Lee
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry A. Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 2:44 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
All the guidelines regarding the use of your logo and certifications can
be
found here:
Microsoft Certified Professional Logo Guidelines
http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/mcpexams/policies/logo.asp
Larry A. Duncan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Winzenz
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:27 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
If you have both certs, according to Microsoft (IIRC), you are supposed
to
list them separately on your resume or business card . . . like
MCSE NT 4.0
MCSE Windows 2000
James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Menke, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 2:25 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
I have been interviewing lately and they seem to like the fact I out
MCSE
4\2k on resume
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:52 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
I use:
MCSE, nya-nya nya-nya-nya :-p
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:33 PM
> To: NT 2000 Discussions
> Subject: MCSE Certification
>
>
> For those that have done the MCSE for NT and 2000, how are
> you showing it on
> your business cards?
>
> ie.
> MCSE (NT+2000)
> MCSE NT+2000
> MCSE (NT/2000)
> MCSE NT/2000
> MCSE NT MCSE 2000
> MCSE NT 2000
> MCSE
> or any other way?
>
> Regards,
> Leonard Lee
>
>
>
>
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